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« on: May 31, 2007, 01:58:17 PM »

Since time is getting crucial and I saw what appeared to me to be an empty Queen cell on May 17th and I saw no brood as of  this Tuesday, I ordered a queen from Wilbanks Apiary in Georgia.  It is a banded Italian. It's also marked.
I may have a queen in there but I'm just not sure.  I've hedged my bets and ordered one.

If it turns out that I don't need her, is it feasible for me to send it to someone that does need it?  I'd be happy to do it just for the cost of the queen, I'll pay the shipping.  Would that work?


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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2007, 04:05:04 PM »

I'll take her. I need a headstart on a hive I want to split pretty soon.

Private message me if you indeed don't need her.

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2007, 04:22:34 PM »

I'll take her. I need a headstart on a hive I want to split pretty soon.

Private message me if you indeed don't need her.

Jake

sounds good.  I'll know in a day or so and then she should be here early next week. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 11:59:47 PM »

Alright.

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2007, 10:37:23 AM »

Since time is getting crucial and I saw what appeared to me to be an empty Queen cell on May 17th and I saw no brood as of  this Tuesday, I ordered a queen from Wilbanks Apiary in Georgia.  It is a banded Italian. It's also marked.
I may have a queen in there but I'm just not sure.  I've hedged my bets and ordered one.

If it turns out that I don't need her, is it feasible for me to send it to someone that does need it?  I'd be happy to do it just for the cost of the queen, I'll pay the shipping.  Would that work?





now that is what most should do, because odds are if you was to install the new queen they will kill her if they have a young queen and all you did then is wasting time and money, instead of throwing your money away you are doing the right thing! good for you but just remember sometimes it might take a young queen almost 30 days (most time sooner) before filling cells with eggs.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2007, 11:51:52 AM »





now that is what most should do, because odds are if you was to install the new queen they will kill her if they have a young queen and all you did then is wasting time and money, instead of throwing your money away you are doing the right thing! good for you but just remember sometimes it might take a young queen almost 30 days (most time sooner) before filling cells with eggs.

Well, this darn queen thing has me perplexed...  At this point I'll gamble my 25 dollars and hope for the best. If I don't see brood by the time the new queen gets here, I'm gonna introduce her and hope for the best.  At this point, I think it's the best course of action.


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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2007, 12:17:06 PM »

tell you what, if you have a 3 days to a week before the new queen arrives take a frame of eggs and young brood from the other hive and shake the bee's from it and install in the hive you dont think has a queen, if in about 3-5 days they draw q-cells you will know, if they dont draw cells the odds are you have a young queen in the hive. a frame of eggs and young brood will answer your question.... any time you have a question about a hive being queenless or not just pop in a frame of eggs and young larva and see if they draw Q-cells, they will tell you on the queen condition of the hive.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 01:09:28 PM »

tell you what, if you have a 3 days to a week before the new queen arrives take a frame of eggs and young brood from the other hive and shake the bee's from it and install in the hive you dont think has a queen, if in about 3-5 days they draw q-cells you will know, if they dont draw cells the odds are you have a young queen in the hive. a frame of eggs and young brood will answer your question.... any time you have a question about a hive being queenless or not just pop in a frame of eggs and young larva and see if they draw Q-cells, they will tell you on the queen condition of the hive.
They are behaving rather strangely.  A huge cluster of bees at the entrance.  While my other two hive have a nice constant traffic of foragers coming and going, these don't.   Also a bit more agitated when the hive is open, much more so than the other two.  I did drop a frame of brood in with the nurse bees that were on it.  I inspected it carefully to make sure the queen wasn't on it.  I'm not sure there were any eggs, I'm thinking there was only capped brood on it.  I opened it today and still no brood a few drone cells near the bottom and on the side  of the frame but they didn't look like those downward pointing queen cells as I understand them. 

So at this point, it's a new dilemma, either there is a young queen that hasn't started laying OR there is no queen and the brood I put in there were to far advanced to make a queen.  So I'll just hope that the little population boost of the new frame will help them.

I think I'll just put the queen in and watch the results.

If they kill her, will I see her laying outside the hive on the ground?
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2007, 01:15:58 PM »

mklangelo, a huge cluster outside the hive. Describe this. They could be trying to kill a queen they may have just hatched. But I'm sure that you would have noticed queen cells..

If they kill the queen, chances are you won't see the dead queen on the ground. However, you never know.

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2007, 01:21:07 PM »

ok with out know there is a queen and you going to install her anyway, I would put the new caged  queen in the hive but not pull the plug if she comes in a wood cage or if she comes in the new plastic JZ cages I would leave the cap on, put the queen cage in the hive for about 4-5 days inspecting the hive every day making sure there is no queen already in the hive and after 4-5 days pull the plug or remove the cap and let them release her, they will feed the attendant which will feed the queen, they will be fine, it is like installing a russian queen in a italian hive, this will give you a few extra days to check so you want be throwing the queen away. just my opinion, its all you choice, Good Luck!!! I still think you probably have a young queen in the hive but its just guesting without being able to inspect the hive myself.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2007, 01:46:57 PM »

mklangelo, a huge cluster outside the hive. Describe this. They could be trying to kill a queen they may have just hatched. But I'm sure that you would have noticed queen cells..

If they kill the queen, chances are you won't see the dead queen on the ground. However, you never know.

Jake

Just a gaggle of bees, around 75 of them.  Not in a guarding type configuration, all in a group.  Of course there was a small puddle of syrup there but that was spilled a week ago. They are hardly taking in the syrup I have fed them in a top feeder, so it makes no sense for them to  be gathering at the remnants of a puddle of syrup a week old.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2007, 01:50:00 PM »

ok with out know there is a queen and you going to install her anyway, I would put the new caged  queen in the hive but not pull the plug if she comes in a wood cage or if she comes in the new plastic JZ cages I would leave the cap on, put the queen cage in the hive for about 4-5 days inspecting the hive every day making sure there is no queen already in the hive and after 4-5 days pull the plug or remove the cap and let them release her, they will feed the attendant which will feed the queen, they will be fine, it is like installing a russian queen in a italian hive, this will give you a few extra days to check so you want be throwing the queen away. just my opinion, its all you choice, Good Luck!!! I still think you probably have a young queen in the hive but its just guesting without being able to inspect the hive myself.

So just forget about the marsmallow and let her hang there for 4 or 5 days.  If no brood at that point, pull the cork.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2007, 02:33:13 PM »

the cage should have queen candy and attendants, the queen will have to have attendants and candy if they come from wilbanks. yeah pull the cork after 3-4 days, there should still be some candy, but that gives you 3-4 days to inspect for a new queen to start laying. you dont have to thats up to you but its a chance to save the new queen... just my 2 peenies worth.........
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2007, 02:51:26 PM »

the cage should have queen candy and attendants, the queen will have to have attendants and candy if they come from wilbanks. yeah pull the cork after 3-4 days, there should still be some candy, but that gives you 3-4 days to inspect for a new queen to start laying. you dont have to thats up to you but its a chance to save the new queen... just my 2 peenies worth.........

sounds like a good plan to me.
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