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« on: May 16, 2007, 11:14:24 PM »

Guess what Texas wants to do. They want to double the price of marriage license..... UNLESS the couples to be wed go to marriage councilors.  Then the license is free. They figure this will help reduce divorce I guess.   

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So are we ready to be micro managed by the government?
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 06:39:29 AM »

What I want to see is some license before people are allowed to produce offspring.. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 07:52:08 AM »

Hear, hear!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 07:54:03 AM »

What I want to see is some license before people are allowed to produce offspring.. 
You are required to have a license for your dog. But anyone can have a kid.  Wink

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 09:51:05 AM »

This isn't about license. I don't think people should have to get a license to get married. I'm wondering what you think about the government going in the direction of requiring people to get counseled before they get married. You know the whole thing about the camel getting his nose in the tent thing. This could actually lead to some government entity telling you who you can or can't marry. Wha-cha-think?
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2007, 10:48:19 AM »

i can see problems.  would the counseling have to be with  a state sanctioned councilor?  you usually have to pay for counseling unless it's your minister.  if you have to pay, i'd think most people would skip it.

there have been studies that show pre-marriage counseling is a benefit.  there have been studies that show divorce leads to higher social welfare costs.  many ministers will not marry a couple unless they go through marriage counseling with him/her.  i don't think that's a bad thing.

overall, i'd lean toward keeping the state out of mariage.....but then....i don't agree with licensing either.  licensing for anything is a form of taxation, and a way for the government to keep track of whatever is licensed.

we license our dogs so why not parents?  why dogs?
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 11:02:35 AM »

we license our dogs

Haven't had a dog license in...... uummmmm....... Gee never I guess. And yes I have had many dogs. Got two now.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 11:12:52 AM »

that was "we" in a generic sense.  that's a tax i choose to skip also.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2007, 03:20:31 PM »

Presuming for this discussion a license should be needed to get married, why isn't it a good idea to promote counseling in exchange for a free license? If gov't is involved in marriage, promoting counseling might not be such a bad idea. Its less offensive than many other ideas governments come up with at times. Might do some people some good, save money, and deny money to government through "taxes' of this type. I license my dog, not because they ask, but in case my dogs gets lost and it helps in perhaps finding him through shelters and such. Also, 1/2 of my dog license fee goes to neuter animals for reduced fees at shelters, which I approve.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2007, 04:35:28 PM »

I dont want to know about places that need a license to get married...
I wanna know where its illegal to get married....
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2007, 05:12:48 PM »

As mentioned the counseling is probably going to cost something, probably more than the license. I for one do not believe in counselors. I think the are full of .............   Anyway. So let us say for grins and giggles that this catches on and becomes mandatory to see these counselors, and these counselors tell the soon to be married couple that they just are not right for each other. Will the state soon have the power to not allow this couple to marry?

Presuming for this discussion a license should be needed to get married,

Are you suggesting there is a way to be legally married without a license?
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 05:50:57 PM »

The powers that the government have over us continue to increase year after year.. and everyone who votes for either of the 2 main parties are contributing to the problem and effectively agreeing for it to continue.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 08:32:32 PM »

so if you (those of you who stated this)think the government should not be licensing marriage then do you approve of gay marriage? i don't mean in the personal sense but in the legal sense.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2007, 08:42:11 PM »

I think a person should be able to marry who they want to.

That does not mean I agree with the gay lifestyle.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2007, 08:43:30 PM »

if there were no licensing, there would be no "legal sense".  smiley
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2007, 08:49:37 PM »

hmmm...this is true. good point.
I think not needing a license would screw up many other laws...which may not be a bad thing. Could any 2 people decide to file their tax return married filing jointly?
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2007, 09:24:57 PM »



Presuming for this discussion a license should be needed to get married,

Are you suggesting there is a way to be legally married without a license?
Some states have common law marriage. Pennsylvania is one of them. I think cohabitation w/ intent to "married" results in marriage, I f I reember correctly
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2007, 10:13:32 PM »

Some states have common law marriage. Pennsylvania is one of them. I think cohabitation w/ intent to "married" results in marriage, I f I reember correctly

Yeah I believe we have that also BUT don't you have to fill out some legal documents and have them filed at the court house @ some sort of fee?
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2007, 06:43:40 PM »

I dont want to know about places that need a license to get married...
I wanna know where its illegal to get married....

Ask any gay couple in 45 of the United States that currently prohibit it.

Are you suggesting there is a way to be legally married without a license?

Pennsylvania recently did away with  common-law marriage, which was marriage without a license.  There was no need to file any paperwork, just basically litigate it when you needed to prove it (such as when someone wanted alimony when they broke up . . .)  There might still be a couple states that recognize it.

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