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« on: April 17, 2007, 12:42:52 AM »

I wish the media would leave me out of their head lines. Every time something happens you hear stuff like this, "US reels at horror of school shooting". Well, I'm not reeling.

How about "community is shocked...." or "City is worried...."

Can't they just give the news with out trying to tell the rest of us how we should feel.  rolleyes
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2007, 12:46:32 AM »

Welcome to the machine.

They need to tell you how to feel some the pharmacutical companies can sell prozac and lithium.

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2007, 05:45:08 AM »

that's because journalists are stupid by which are the greater part of society so they have a right to write what the "majority" of population thinks. darn yellow press is really getting on my nervs!!! and the best part of this is that...i don't see any other than yellow press, i mean, where are the "good" news....
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2007, 07:33:11 AM »

At least there's something news-worthy to report on and not another day speculating on who wins Anna Nicole's baby or Brittany in rehab or the crisis on American Idol.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 08:23:14 AM »

This is America, the press will report on the topics they are told to report on and NOT on the topics we as Americans should know about.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2007, 10:16:45 AM »

our press has done a good job compared to the overseas papers i read this AM.  they are all about crazy, gun toting americans.  "why are they talking about securing schools and not talking about stricter gun laws?" 

i'm sure Rosie will go there after she stops preening over her large mention in Pravda. 

it was a terrible tragedy for the families and the school.  even for the shooters family.  i'm sure they didn't not send him from s. korea with the thought that he'd lose it, and kill his school mates. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2007, 11:48:08 AM »

our press has done a good job compared to the overseas papers i read this AM.  they are all about crazy, gun toting americans.  "why are they talking about securing schools and not talking about stricter gun laws?" 

hahahah, so true, they're even discousing our school safety measurments, LOL.
like i said, journalists are stupid, NOT ONE will point out that over 99% of ALL homicides are caused by UNREGISTRED guns and that tiny 1% is in 95% accidents or something!. bleh i just hate the press.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2007, 06:30:05 PM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/04/17/2007-04-17_yes_virginia_guns_kill_innocents-2.html

this was special. 
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2007, 09:35:48 PM »

Yes, isn't it?  rolleyes
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2007, 09:43:48 PM »

I guess I missed what was special about it  huh OK so I'm clueless.  embarassed Well no. It's just when I start reading anything that points in the direction of gun control, I sort of space out. I seem to look at it from the other side of the spectrum,  evil(plus it makes good arguments) evil if every body had a gun then the guy wouldn't have killed but one or two before somebody put him down.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2007, 10:08:38 PM »

We're all on the same page, Jerry.  There is no sarcastic emoticon, so I usually use the rolling eyes.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2007, 10:26:07 PM »

me 3.  if a teacher or student had  a weapon handy, he could have been taken out.  instead, the campus was hostage to lunacy.  the lunacy of a no gun rule and the lunacy of a killer.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2007, 10:30:27 PM »

I think it is so ironic that a bill had been before the Virginia legislature to give students the right to keep a gun on campus just this year - and it was voted down.

Not that any of those laws would do a darned thing regarding a madman.  But at least there would have been a chance that someone could have stopped him.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2007, 11:15:22 PM »

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OthWr/principal&gun.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

here is the story you were talking about.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/va_tech_official_praised_defea.php
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2007, 05:00:48 AM »

me 3.  if a teacher or student had  a weapon handy, he could have been taken out.  instead, the campus was hostage to lunacy.  the lunacy of a no gun rule and the lunacy of a killer.

I am not sure that 26,000 hormonal teenagers carrying guns is a good idea either..
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2007, 08:22:23 AM »

Oh, but remember, they're adults now that they're over 18.  That's worth another eyeroll!  rolleyes

I don't think all of the students should be armed, but some of the professors could be, as could the janitors, etc.  If and only if they wanted to!  Not everyone is a hero, but those who can overcome their fear in the face of madness and take some control should have the means to do so.

And Kathy, boy, you're good!  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2007, 10:11:38 AM »

i doubt that 26000 would carry smiley.  those who would legally carry would be those who are confident in their ability to properly use the weapon and protect themselves and others.

those who legally carry concealed are people like me, who are serious about protecting ourselves and those around us.  every time i hear about some woman being pulled from her car in a car jacking, or waking up to an attacker in her own home, i  think how different it would be if those people were armed.  i know people who live alone and live in fear.  i do not. i have done the best i can to be prepared for whatever comes.  when my husband is out of town, i sleep well.  in his place lays a .45.

the age of military service can begin at 17.  we put guns in the hands of our kids and ask them to protect the country.  we keep guns from the hands of college students because we think they are hormonal?
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2007, 03:38:44 PM »

We're all on the same page, Jerry. 

I'm not.

Hand guns are used for one purpose, to kill people. It may be ok to carrry handguns in less populated areas of our country, but not everywhere. Jerry believes the perpetrator would have only killed one or two people if others were armed. Says who? They probably would have shot their classmates trying to get the perpetrator. Even w/ practice, handguns are extremely innaccurate under controlled circumstances, let alone in the chotic circumstance surrounding a colleg campus shooting. Poorly trained persons shooting in public would have a greater likelihood of causing more disasterous results. Imagine if the police arrived and saw multiple people shooting at each other on a college campus. Whom would the police have shot? More importantly, if everyone had handguns, more people would be shot over stupid things like car accidents, percieved slights, neighbors making too much noise, and such.

I am probably the only person on this site who has ever represented someone accused of capital murder, murder, or felony murder, and its almost always a handgun. In my experience, handguns are bad news

Our founders wanted us to be armed. I agree. Not necesarily w/ handguns. If you want home protection, use a sawed off shotgun w/ bird shot. That way you won't kill your child in the next room, and you will definately hit the intruder. Wan't home protection, get a dog. In all my years of having represented thousands of burglary accussations, never a one w/ a dog at home. The ability to conceal weapons is dangerous in a modern society. Rifles and such are another matter. Having said that, I would make no changes in our second amendment rights, before you guys start to proverbally flog me for disagreeing. I also dont believe registering guns is constitutional. Our 2ndA right tp possess arms were designed to prevent the government from being the only group armed. Making people wait a few days to get a gun, criminal checks, fully automatic weapons, armor peircing ammo and the like can be regulated and should. Why on earth does an individual need for example,  a 50mm long rifle?

I grow weary of the polarization of our country and this belief it has to be one way or the other. Its very unhealthy for our country. Me, I like to walk down the middle of the road. There's more room afterall! grin
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2007, 03:57:44 PM »

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i have owned handguns since i was 10.  i have used them.  i have never shot anyone.

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they were accurate enough to kill 33 people.

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when the intruder kills the dog?  this helps in a school shooting how?

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Why on earth does an individual need for example,  a 50mm long rifle?
because they want one.

this kid followed the rules and legally bought guns.  as far as i know, he did not legally get a CC permit.  VA requires one.

a gun does not always need to be used to be effective.  the two shooters that were stopped by guns, on school ground, prove that point.

i take it you are a defense attorney?  it is my belief that if more of us were armed we could put you out of business.  your client base would dry up if they died at the scene.


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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2007, 04:18:34 PM »

yes I'm a defense attorney. No a dog wouldn't work on a campus situation, I was referring to home safety. Simply b/c someone wants a 50mm gun doesn't mean they should have one...

...and no I will never be out of business, no matter what the gun laws are. The gov't would make more rules.
and yes you have had a handgun since ten and haven't killed anyone. BUT the reason you primarily have one is to kill a person if need be. Not to target shoot, hunt deer, feed you family etc. Ironically, I believe in gun ownership. I wouldn't personally own one, but I believe in our const. right to be armed, not necessarily w/ a concealed handgun or an handgun outside a home or business. NJ has some of the toughest gun control laws in our country, and per capita has less handgun homocides than most states. In fact, it is almost impossible to get a permit to carry in NJ. NJ also wont honor lawful gun ownership laws in a foreign state if traveling through NJ. I have represented many person who are stopped for speeding and when asked, tell the officer they have  weapon in their car. If its not locked in a seperate container from the bullets, and in an inacessible location  w/in the vehicle(trunk) (hatchbacks and suvs cant comply as a result), and you are not traveling between work and home, or moving from one location to another, you are srewed. Pennsylvania, which has next to no gun control laws ,has a very horrible gun violence rate. Philadelphia has a handgun homocide more than once a day.
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