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« on: April 13, 2007, 07:38:47 PM »

i love what i do for the red cross.  i love the people i work for.  i have even learned to handle the slanted floors in the red cross headquarters, built that way to compensate for the fact that almost everyone there walks with a list to the left.

today i had to drive in and take a class.  in the class we use what i had always know as "flip chart".  no more. "flip" might offend certain people.  now i'm old enough to have served in the navy when people thought Filipinos were only useful as stewards and the term "flip" was use as a derogatory reference to Filipinos.  however.....the flip in flip chart is a VERB as in flip the page over.  what idiot would ever have made the connection between Filipino and flip chart? 

when i was done with the class i checked to make sure i was current on all the required classes.  i was told i need to take the "living with total diversity" class.

some people are more outspoken online where they have some measure of anonymity.  i am not one of those people.  i am in person as i am here.  i am not looking forward to this class.

until this week, i didn't know anything about Imas.  never listened to him.  didn't know what he looked like.  this week i have learned he is a real jerk.  i didn't miss anything.  even so, i am angry off that the people who make a living out of being victims, have the power to make an issue of stupidity...to the point of getting someone fired for what they SAID, not what they did.  i find that more than a little frightening.

maybe i'm the only one who would defend his job.  maybe i'll be the only volunteer fired for improper thinking rather than malfeasance.  maybe i should take Valium and sleep through the class.....i'll let you know how it goes.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 07:51:21 PM »

Now you are going to be shocked.
I agree with you.

I don't do politically correct.
I don't cater to ethnic sensitivites.
Look not calling something a flip chart because you might offend someone is silly.
Calling someone a nappy haired ho is stupid. Firing someone for saying it. Even more idiotic. Free speech includes the right to be offensive.

My wife has to take sensitivity courses because she is a government employee. I laugh at the ridiculous stories she tells me. She says I don't cater to other people's sensitivitives. I told her she was right.

I once had to take a female sensitivity course a few years back. I took the class to a strip bar for lunch. It was worth the trouble it caused.  evil

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 08:12:45 PM »

I never knew that flip meant that  rolleyes

Yeah I thought the media once again over did it on the nappy thinggy. I think everyone should have acted as though it never happened.

I thought this was interesting,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20070413/cm_huffpost/045752;_ylt=Al6iLwz3GaL2_C9vpfrq04DMWM0F
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 08:56:51 PM »

It's everything that happened after Imas spoke those words that just gets my blood boiling... and the absolutely worst, is when Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson come out of the wood work. I am sure those guys have never said anything bad towards another person or group.

Just thinking about this makes me want to go kick something..
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 10:23:17 PM »

I feel the same way AlanJ! I think it is absolutely ridiculous that Imus has been fired over his remarks on a shock jock radio show. People may think he crossed a line, but he has apologized over and over and over! Sharpton and Jackson both do nothing but seek media attention. I personally am not a fan of the Imus show but I think firing Don Imus was absurd.

There is such a double standard in America. It is acceptable for one race to poke fun at whites every chance they get. In sitcoms and comedy acts… not to mention the fact that it is acceptable for them to bash each other AND women in their rap songs. It's absolutely ridiculous. The truth is, I've never found Don Imus very entertaining, however, I find the mouth on Rev Sharpton and the Rev Jackson when they open it to be racist, annoying and quite less entertaining!

Don't get me wrong, I belive diversity is a good thing. I believe all humans, all races, creeds, and religions are equal and we should all treat each other the way we want to be treated. However, political correctness kills me. I too don't do politically correct very well and I don't cater to ethnic sensitivites very well. My heritage is native american and I get very upset when I hear comments from native americans about sports teams being called Indians or Chiefs. What is the big deal?

I believe the rules must apply to everyone equally...if rappers can call women ho's and MUCH worse, then everyone should be able to do the same. In my opinion if someone doesn't like what they hear then don't listen to the program. It is that simple. This demanding Imus be fired and the networks freaking out and firing him because they don't want to deal with ANY racial issue due to political correctness is crazy.

I'm afraid this does nothing but separate the races even more.....
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 10:44:49 PM »

Too bad they soon forget the Imus Ranch for sick kids to go visit and all the money he raises for the CJ foundation for Sids. Too bad he isn't judged for what he has done for a lot of kids and not what he says on his radio program.
How muchn of their own money have Jesse and Al given up?  Huuh?
And do either of these guys have real jobs?
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2007, 10:21:03 AM »

Just yesterday I was "flipping" through the radio dial.  I ran across a local talk show host on one of the several black radio stations here in Milwaukee.  Doug Banks was the hosts name. 

Every other word was "cracker" 

When Ray Nagan, Mayor of New Orleans was speaking about rebuilding that city after Katrina, he talked about a "chocolate city".

In public conversation blacks openly talk about "white boys" and "honkeys"  A good white boy rolls over these days and takes it.  Don Imus appologized and he thought, and rightly so that that should have been the end of it.   I think his show stunk and was not funny at all.  But that's just my personal taste.

Blacks pretty much have immunity to say what they want in a racial context.  Whitey can't even look cross-eyed at a person of color without there being a firestorm of controversy.

Don Imus is probably a racist.  But to hear most blacks say it, WE ARE ALL RACISTS.

If you don't think there is a dual standard out there, you just haven't been paying attention.


If any of you think Al Sharpton is a great public figure, just do a google search on "Tawana Brawley" 


He and Jessie Jackson are nothing but a pair of publicity seeking, poverty pimping race baiters.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2007, 01:14:03 PM »


<My wife has to take sensitivity courses because she is a government employee. I laugh at the ridiculous stories she tells me. She says I don't cater to other people's sensitivitives. I told her she was right.

I once had to take a female sensitivity course a few years back. I took the class to a strip bar for lunch. It was worth the trouble it caused.>

Although we wouldn't have gone with you to the bar, Understudy, my wife and I LOVE your attitude!!
Have been listening to commercial and NPR radio since this happened.  (I drive a truck so I get a lot of radio time in.)  The media would have you believe that the greatest majority of the public are totally upset with Imus' insensitivity, but the "regular" folks out here in the real world that I"ve spoken to are more upset about the big uproar over it.  Was refreshing to read all the input from everyone here.  Nice to know common sense isn't totally dead!!


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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2007, 06:06:35 PM »

There is only a small subset of people who are upset. Unfortunately they get enormous airtime.  My personal opinion is that people like Al and Jessie are the some of the biggest racists out there today. Their stunts do more harm than good and creates a divide that is consistantly 'trying' to close.

As to diversity classes, I find they to be incredible insulting. If and when I treat someone with disrespect, then they can fire my sorry ass Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2007, 08:23:39 PM »

Hmmm, don't I remember some rather disparaging anti-semitic comments by both Jackson and Sharpton in the past?  Seems to me, some of Sharpton's remarks incited a young unstable gentleman to kill someone and burn down a building.  I think it was over a rent dispute, but I'll have to check back into the facts before I mouth off too much, though.

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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2007, 09:16:36 PM »

Hmmm, don't I remember some rather disparaging anti-semitic comments by both Jackson and Sharpton in the past?  Seems to me, some of Sharpton's remarks incited a young unstable gentleman to kill someone and burn down a building.  I think it was over a rent dispute, but I'll have to check back into the facts before I mouth off too much, though.

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Jackson called a jewish section of New York Hymietown, while running for president during the 1984 election.
Sharpton, "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house."

Shouting, "No Justice, No Peace" with the funeral crowd, he incited riots in Crown Heights where a mob shouting, "Kill the Jews!" surrounded Jewish rabbinical student Yankel Rosenbaum and stabbed him to death.


Neither of these men should have any standing when it comes to being offended by Don Imus. Or any standing at all for that matter.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2007, 09:43:10 PM »

Thanks Brendhan!  I thought I remembered stuff like that.  I totally agree with you.  Neither has a leg to stand on.  Unfortunately, they still get a lot of media attention.  And I wish they made corks big enough for Sharpton's mouth.  angry  I believe in freedom of speech, but sometimes it's hard to just ignore people like that especially when it results in someone's death.  Do you remember if he face any criminal charges?

And what did Imas do (not that I particularly like the guy), hurt some girls feelings.  Awww. Grow the hell up.

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2007, 10:29:10 PM »

the girls were good about it.  he apologized and they accepted.

AS and JJ have no jobs.  they have no churches.  they have nothing except racial tension.  it is in their interest to make sure that racial tensions continue to exist. 

there is a particular segment of the black population that has grown up being taught that because their ancestors were oppressed, they are owed something.  it is not a teaching unique to the US.  it's quite popular in the UK also.  they have massive white guilt over there as well.

what is the point of this teaching?  if you convince people they are owed something you can then convince them that you can get them what they are owed.  if they support you in your election, etc. you'll make sure that they are taken care of.  this isn't just directed at blacks, but they are a solid voting block for the left even though they do not share the same progressive "values" of the left.

go back far enough and all of our ancestors were oppressed at one time or another.  mine got it from the romans and the brits. 

nothing can be done about AS and JJ until the people who follow and support them wake up and realize that neither have the best interest of the people at heart.  only the best interests of AS and JJ.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2007, 08:18:44 PM »

The PC police should be called the hypocracy police.  The result of PC has been that those who are racist can call every one else racist, get away with it, and even make them feel guilty in the process. 
It created a great double standard that true racists use to their advantage.

PC I'm not.

When calling someone articulate can be construed as a racist comment there is something terribly wrong. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 12:00:21 PM »

Imus wasn't fired until the money from advertisers was pulled. His comments were clearly racist and it his right to say them, but not necessarily get paid to say them. The first amendment only applies to gov't infringement, not private employers. I could hardly care whether or not he lost his job. As for politically correct, could care less again.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2007, 06:26:48 PM »

I was going to start another topic but decided this fits in here.

I said this earlier in this thread;

Yeah I thought the media once again over did it on the nappy thinggy. I think everyone should have acted as though it never happened.


And then I come across this article. Is it just me or does anyone else think this is over reacting?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_ca/canada_couch_racial_slur;_ylt=Ah13pgGVtUofachoagq.SofMWM0F
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 07:36:20 PM »

get told you are a victim often enough...you might just believe it!  it's crap, but she'll get her compensation.  she'll probably get her couch for free.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 08:48:23 PM »

It would be funny if it was not true and happened often.

"Moore is consulting with a lawyer and wants compensation."

For what?

"Moore, 30, has three young children, and said the issue has taken a toll on her family."

Why?  because she found the N word on a label?

"Something more has to be done. We don't just need a personal apology, but someone needs to own up to where these labels were made, and someone needs to apologize to all people of color," Moore said. "I had friends over from St. Lucia yesterday and they wouldn't sit on the couch."

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 08:56:19 PM »

wow-this is really interesting for me. I am a woman in a biracial relationship and my 2 year old son is biracial. What Imus did was in poor taste, should he have lost his job? Probably not...Am I glad he did, sure thing, but just because I don't like his show and I think his opinions are asinine. Do I worry about folks making the same comments about my family, you bet! But I am raising my son to understand that these words and or comments are from people with closed minds, closed hearts. How easy people fall into hate without even realizing it. Hateful words, hateful actions. Isn't this the downfall of mankind???
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 09:19:28 PM »

organicgrl, the thing that gets me is this whole culture of victims.  in this case, it was comments made about blacks, but it can be women, religions, other minorities.....just seems like there are a bunch of people lined up waiting to be offended.  there are those who make a living looking for ways to be offended.  you have to ask yourself what JJ and AS would do if there were racial harmony?  they'd be out of a job.  makes me think it's in their best interest to keep things stirred up.

i know some people are mean and even more are stupid, but what happened to the old "sticks and stones"?

your kids will face stupid people and it may or may not be about race.  teach them to win.  teach them to be successful.  that's worth much more than being a victim.

-end lecture-   Wink


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