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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2007, 04:07:01 PM »

Talk about a topic going to HOT POST COUNT really quick, this might be a winner. I got a few points, but first CODY relax a bit, you need to recognise when someone is being facetious about something - if only in part. Slovenia (compared to it's NON-EUROPEAN NEIGHBOR Croatia) is a relatively rich country, it is a THERE BUT THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD and POLITICS THING. Mici is YOUR AGE CODY and WISE beyond his years.

I don't doubt us wasteful and gluttonous Americans are responsible for lots of the issues that face the world today, but with all we now know on thermal pollution take a look at China with an Industrial Age unlike any in world history. They talk of taking measures to thwart pollution but they don't practice it - if anyone is now killing the planet,  it is China.

I'm still a believer that all this is cyclical no matter how much we do or don't contribute to it. In other words, we are NOT going to stop a warming if it is cyclical, all we may do is set it off quicker if anything.

But there is a difference between CYCLICAL and SICKENING - which is how many people feel about this President, but don't confuse HIM with Conservative or Liberal issues either. I'm afraid that the Liberals will have a decidedly aggressive agenda using the war against the Conservatives, making promises that they won't keep putting the troops (who are the big loser in this coming election) in danger as they are with this proposed and pork-bellied "Compromise" that Bush finally opened his mouth and said DEMOCRATS rather than my opposition. Bush needs to get off his butt and kick some Liberal agendas down as a tool to push the Republican ideas and candidates during this lame duck term. I was proud of Bush (the first time in a long time) to hear him condemn the Dem's for their disgusting version of a appropriations bill.

Bush literally said that even more troops will die if you don't stop tacking on every B.S. local and regional pork-belly issue you can. Bush needs to now (finally) get down and dirty, make Conservatives proud and stop politically correct stating issues that leave us all wondering what he means - call Liberals Liberals and Democrats, Democrats - not this "my opposition" crap, that is sissified for the most powerful man on Earth. We should all expect more from our leaders, no matter what the party.

If Global Warming is cyclical or inevitable, then don't worry about it, because it is out of your hands. What is in your hands is this election. I hope we can all forget the horrible mistakes this President has made, as we did the President before him - or did you forget about Clinton who is banking on being the "First Gentleman" as his vicious and conniving witch of a "wife of convenience" slithers her asp toward the polls - and we can look at the field of candidates and think what's good for the country: there should NEVER be any other issue on the table in a Presidential race.

I hope that someone comes through as a historically remembered GREAT PRESIDENT because since 1988 we have had men in office that DON'T hold the respect of the World, and even worse, they lack the track record to earn the respect of the Country.

I like Gore, not sure why but do - I have heard many of his speeches and find him entertaining more so than many other politicians - but don't let issues like who has majority in the House lead your vote for President, a good President with a wise choice of cabinet can give a conflicting house no choice but to vote along with RIGHT ideas - otherwise face political suicide.

Do you really see SUPERSTARS in the early days of this Presidential Race? I hope we see better candidates, but I'm afraid we are getting close to the end of people tossing their hat in the ring. At least the Re-pubs have a few candidates now with name recognition that aren't too old to survive two terms - and more importantly, they have middle to Right values, that opens them up for many swing voters - I think most Liberals lack the idea of meeting the values of the country in the middle.

It is interesting that the BLUE STATES surround the country and the heartland is nearly all RED. I'm thinking it is Earth's way of drowning out Liberalism if Global Warming floods the oceanic border states - just a thought.
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2007, 04:36:56 PM »

Talk about a topic going to HOT POST COUNT

looks like i've chosen the right name for the tread, hehe grin
Croatia is european country, but not a member of EU- i think that's what you meant, i mean, i know.


hmmm, although i represented the tread as anti-US, it's the way global warming is presented, but...even if get some other president, the global warming "religon, global politics" won't change. this darn green-terrorist are taking over the world, WORLD LEADERS submit to them, whilst others join them(AG). on the other hand these "green-terrorist" are actually doing in our favour, even though they spit over developed world, because they are supressing the undeveloped world, it's wrong to say so but...while EU and US sit on the dock, they benefit from it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2007, 05:09:52 PM »

mici, there was something in that move that i am old enough to know is a truth.  there is a segment of the population that needs a radical cause.  they jump on the revolution band wagon with the best of intentions, but without any real knowledge or plan.  you can see it in past revolutions.  the french, russian, and cuban revolutions were undertaken with the best of intentions, but had the worst of consequences for the people.  here, in the 20's we had the communist mini-revolution and that lasted in one form or another until the 90's.  it didn't take over the country, but it certainly influenced our behavior in things like the vietnam war, etc.  mini-revolutions are constantly changing society and have a constant supply of people who need a cause.

this is different in that it is an international event.  all of the people who need a cause are aimed in the same direction.  they have one goal...to save the world from global warming, and one villian...the US, currently represented by George Bush.

al gore is an internationalist.  he believes that the US should embrace the practices of europe and become one with the world.  He believes international law should supersede US law.  He believes in equal distribution of wealth (socialism)...except for his, and he can afford carbon credits to offset his lifestyle.

until God agrees to be president, we will not have a perfect man (or woman) in the White House, but every time i see gore or kerry in tv, i say a little prayer of thanks that neither became president.

i hope fred thompson runs.  so far, he's the only potential candidate that grabs me at all.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2007, 05:20:42 PM »

I am so glad this video has been posted here.  The global warming true believers have turned the whole thing into a cult, and cults are dangerous.  It's gratifying that someone from another country (Mici) saw this and posted it for a more than a few American audience.  It shows that not the whole world believes we're the great Satan we're lead to believe we are.  Thank you, Mici!
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2007, 08:36:42 PM »

I'm a bloody liberal terrorist!  Hurray for bio-terrorism

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To be quite honest with you, I didn't find any comedy in the first post. Sorry if I offended or continue to offend any one.

Its OK guys I read bush was a coke head online... every thing you read online is true!  rolleyes (JK)

Other than that All I have to say is, how can you not think global warming isn't apart of pollution? to many fossil fuels being burnt, its almost insane! but you guys just shove it off your shoulder like its nothing.  Ill be honest I thought Gore looked like a cereal killer, but I don't like Bush either. I'm tired of Republicans and Democrats, they both suck, lets get to the go, and have another party a chance at the batting plate.

I'm gonna go buy 100 gallons of gas and just burn it, its OK, it doesn't have an effect on global warming at all. Bush just has a certain Vice president up his butt.

*cough cough* theirs such a thing as separation of church and state, god gets no vote... American voters focus to much on the little religious differences to much its stupid. Any ways Biblically god wouldn't want a woman president, men are the head, women are the neck. Some scriptures some verse i forgot, maybe I'll remember. No way do i want Hillary for president... if it comes that any time soon I'm moving to Canada. NO, I'm not Sexist, i just don't like Hillary.

What ever ill probably regret this later.

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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2007, 08:47:03 PM »

oh take off the jacket.  i gummed up my flame thrower with that darn bio fuel.

watch the movie.  it will give you another point of view. 

bush may have used coke.  so did obama.  most of us try not to talk about the stuff we did when we were younger because we don't want the kids to know!

there is no separation of church and state in the constitution.  that was an interpretation made by the supreme court...and we have been stuck with it ever since.  yes, some of the founders had opinions about the relationship between church and state that are more in line with what is now accepted as doctrine, but it is not in the constitution. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2007, 09:19:12 PM »

Hi Cody,
Take off the fire proof jacket. Never will all agree on every subject. I think it is good young people such as you and Mici participate in the exchange of ideas.So many young people don't even care either way or pay attention to anything.Exchanges on a friendly basis opens the door to different ideas. Much of what happens in government can't be blamed on any one person.They all have to cooperate to foul stuff up.The President doesnt write spending bills ,the House does. Laws are initiated in the senate.The president can only sign law,not write it so it takes a lot of backdoor politics to make a mess of things but somehow they manage! Undecided
If I got this goofed a little don't burn me in effigy,I've been out of civics class for a while but I'm going to refresh myself a little now that its came to mind. Wink

Oh,and Mici this was a good topic to get people chatting!
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2007, 09:25:02 PM »

Man I just got home from doing a double cut out. Can I at least take care of a few things around the house first before all the resident Neo-Cons ambush everyone. I will return to this post later maybe not today but I will get back to it. Asbestoes underwear anyone?

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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2007, 09:38:12 PM »

Just make sure you've watched both An Inconvenient Truth andThe Great Global Warming Swindle before you climb into your asbestos undies  evil
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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2007, 10:59:55 PM »

I don't think anyone really knows what's going on.  It's just a bunch of people spewing what they think to be true, and trying to get everyone they can to do things the way they want them to.  Everyone's got graghs and charts, they all say the same thing but each group cuts it up and bends it to fit their own views.  I'm tired of hearing about it.  Stop talking and do something about it.  I've done all I can.  I don't know the secret to hydo-fuel, I can't ride a bike to work(I have too many tools, and drive a CO. vehicle)  I have 2 vehicles that get good gas mileage.  I can't afford anything else.  I'm stuck in middle-class America.  So I guess it's back to listening to the peace-nics (IT'S ALL OUR FAULT MMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!  GOV'NMNT IS THE DEVIL, MMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!, PEACE NOT WAR, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!, LEAGALIZE DOPE MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!)  and the great deniers, (Global warming?  It's 30 deg's outside.  Hight water level?  There's just more fish out there..... anyone seen my walet?)

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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2007, 11:05:06 PM »

I'm tired of hearing about it.  Stop talking and do something about it. 

The point some of us are trying to make is that there is nothing man can do about it. It is a natural occurrence. But if you want to waste your money trying to fight something that can't be fought, go for it. 
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2007, 11:09:40 PM »

I don't think we can do everything about it, but I'm sure that we can help a little.  You can't really be telling me that we have NO part in what's happening to the environment?  Can you.  I firmly belive that the world is going to do what it wants, and if it wants us gone, then we'll be gone.  But to say that we are doing NOTHING to the environment, that's just stupidity!  I just don't think we're doing as much as the libs are saying we are, but we aren't helping.....

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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2007, 11:18:29 PM »

we can do somethings to help the environment.  not breathing is not among those things.  we can watch what goes into our landfills.  we can try to use products that are biodegradable.  we can replant when we plow up.  we can be careful that we don't drain gunk into our water.  city folks are really bad about the water.  they don't seem to realize that i comes from someplace before it comes out of the tap. 

we are not all neo-cons.  i am an old con.  it's just that there don't seem to be many of us left and so we have to go with what is out there smiley

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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2007, 01:19:55 AM »

I try to live as green as I can afford.  I own a generator for when the power goes out.  I still have a well.  I have planted 5 fruit trees and a bunch of various berry bushes this spring.  I have a garden and raise chickens and goats. 
I cannot afford solar cells or other means of power generation but would if I could.  All of this does not mean I buy the Global Warming thing, it just means I believe in being prepared.

As for GWB, if he would actually veto legislation once in a while some might believe he is more than a Eunich.  If you don't stand your ground you soon have no ground to stand on.  That's why everybody is bad mouthing the President.  The Bush Adminstration has made alot of mistakes that have cost us dearly.  The Democrats are acting like fifth grades going NNANNA-NANAH and playing tit for tat.

We need a leader who can lead.  Politicians take heed: when you try to please everybody nobody is pleased.
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2007, 07:01:37 AM »

The problem I've believed would come up with regards to 'global warming' has now come true.  Because the global warming alarmists have insisted it's due to pollution (and not natural climatic change) people are convinced we can 'do something' about global warming.  They aren't focused on pollution, which is something we can definitely 'do something' about, they're focusing on changing the global climate, which we really, truly can't do a darned thing about.  Stop believing in global warming and start believing in cleaning up the planet and stop pollution because it's the only planet we've got!
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2007, 09:11:15 AM »


al gore is an internationalist.  he believes that the US should embrace the practices of europe and become one with the world.  He believes international law should supersede US law.  He believes in equal distribution of wealth (socialism)...except for his, and he can afford carbon credits to offset his lifestyle.



kathy, you hit the nail on the head.  It is not about the environment,  it is about one world government and redistribution of wealth.   If Al Gore can get us all scared into this global warming bull and this whole carbon credit crap.  We can have the UN set up some anti-US distribution of emissions whereas these 3rd world countries run by tyrants who are economically way behind us will be given dispensation "to catch up". And of course,  the US will be held to higher standards than anyone else and we will have to buy these credits from these tyrant countries, who have no incentives to improve their economic growth,  so we can produce products. 

Thank God Bush had the good sense to not but into the Kyoto protocol. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2007, 10:02:26 AM »

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WE, yes WE have to distinguis between pollution and global warming, that's the key. pollution is something that is man made (well some of it occurs naturally but in that case we can't call it pollution) and global warming is something that simply happens. PLEASE to all of you who contribute to this tread, watch the movie first, it's absolutely absurd how the idea of GW came to us, who's cheering for it, who's gettin loads of $$$$. you can't just say that each side claims it's own stuff, so far we had only one side that had "scientific" evidence, i too was a great believer into the whole "manmade GW" thing, well after seeing and hearing that movie, up your...
well, i'll say no more, why explain to you that bronze age for instance was far warmer than it is now if you can see all of that info in the movie.
plus some of you got it all wrong, ok yes the US and EU are the ones that are blaimed for it, but at the same time poor countries are getting an even worse treatment, not being allowed to use their natural resources-coal, oil and gas, so it's not a conspiracy against the US.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2007, 11:29:42 AM »

Personally I think global warming does exist-both naturally and man-made. I think we are accelerating and expanding the change. Instead of a degree change over a hundred years, it will be 2 deg over 50 yrs. Is this significant? Time will tell. I think man contributes to this accelaration in a way that prevents the earth from handling the excessive load of CO it may have otherwise have handled when Co is produced in "natural" amounts. Additionally, I don't beileive its is prudent to wait until we know for sure that GW may be manmade as the consequences may be dire. We could all strive to do more with less waste. Promote legislative changes that encourage saving and improving fuel efficiency because its wasteful to do otherwise. Promoting fuel efficient appliances, cars and other machinery. We have the technology and werewithall, but need that little governmental or societal "push" to make it easier to accomplish. I would rather not wait until GW is proven to be man made issue before we act to help.
I am also frustrated by the concept of mutually exclusive answers or ideas. In other words, we must have GW, or not. Theres no inbetween. No natural, plus manmade inpacts on GW for example.Its either all natural, or all unnatural, never a multi contribution problem. Just my one cent.
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Promote legislative changes that encourage saving and improving fuel efficiency because its wasteful to do otherwise. Promoting fuel efficient appliances, cars and other machinery. We have the technology and werewithall, but need that little governmental or societal "push" to make it easier to accomplish. I would rather not wait until GW is proven to be man made issue before we act to help.

this is the very thing that we are concerned about.  it is fine to promote a thing.  legislating the thing is another issue.  especially when you are legislating in the dark, in a state of angst, and with international pressure.  it is the latter that is being pushed on us by the global warming alarmists.  they are doing it with half truths and bad science.
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2007, 03:44:06 AM »

As much as I despise some of the things that happen in the USA, the people are good. Its politicians and corporations I dont like.
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