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« on: February 10, 2007, 06:15:02 PM »

I just found this informarion on the meadmakers forum. But probably this is the forum it should be published. Looks scary. Have anybody noticed anything? I listened to mine two days ago, they were fine.

http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pressReleases/FallDwindleUpdate0107.pdf

http://beealert.blackfoot.net/~beealert/surveys/index.php

UNDIAGNOSED DIE-OFF, APIS - USA (MULTISTATE)
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Honey Bee Die-off Alarms Beekeepers
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Something is wiping out honey bees across North America, and a team
of researchers is rushing to find out what it is.

What is being called Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) has now been seen
in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia and way out in
California. Some bee keepers have lost up to 80 percent of their
colonies to the mysterious disorder.

Those are quite scary numbers," said Dennis vanEngelsdorp,
Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture's lead apiarist. Whatever
kills the bees targets adult workers, which die outside the colony,
with few adults left inside, either alive or dead. The disorder
decimates the worker bee population in a matter of weeks.

Aside from making honey, honey bees are essential for the pollination
of tens of million of dollars worth of cash crops all over the United
States. That's why almond growers of California, for instance, are
taking notice and pledging funds to help identify and fight the honey
bee disorder.

Among the possible culprits are a fungus, virus, or a variety of
microbes and pesticides. No one knows just yet. On 1st inspection,
the pattern of die-offs resembles something that has been seen in
more isolated cases in Louisiana, Texas and Australia, vanEngelsdorp said.

"Right now, our efforts are on collecting as many samples as
possible," said vanEngelsdorp. Bees that are collected are carefully
dissected and analyzed to see what might have killed them.

Other researchers are keeping track of the problem using Google Earth
as well as cutting-edge hive-sniffing and eavesdropping technology to
investigate the problem.

"We're trying to sort out the myriad of variables," said Jerry
Bromenshank of the University of Montana and Bee Alert Technology,
Inc. "We've sent teams to Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania, and
California. The scenario was about exactly the same everywhere we looked."

The locations of the bees are put on a global database to see whether
there is any geographic pattern. Bromenshank also uses a
groundbreaking audio analysis technique that allows hearing specific
changes in bee colony sounds when specific chemicals are present.
Chemical air sampling in hives is also being planned, he said.

Just how bad the bee problem is right now is unknown, since the 1st
cases came at the end of 2006, and many colonies in northern states
are not active yet.

As spring awakens honey bee colonies, it will be vital for beekeepers
to send information to the scientists, regardless of how well or
poorly their bee colonies are faring, said Bromenshank. For that
purpose the scientists have put together a confidential beekeeper
survey on their website
<http://maarec.org/>.

"Beekeepers over-wintering in the north may not know the status of
their colonies until they are able to make early spring inspections,"
said Maryann Frazier, apiculture extension associate in Penn State's
College of Agricultural Sciences. "This should occur in late February
or early March [2007]. Regardless, there is little doubt that honey
bees are going to be in short supply this spring and possibly into the summer."

[Byline: Larry O'Hanlon]

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Brent Barrett
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[As this news article points out, bees are more valuable than as just
honey producers. They are essential for pollinating a multitude of
food crops as well as many of the trees, flowers and shrubs that we enjoy.

Bees can be affected by Foul Brood, Varroa mites, bronze bee mites,
and other parasites, fungi and viruses. Despite the importance of
bees, the research is not as energetic as it could be. - Mod.TG]
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2007, 06:28:25 PM »

Several articles on this have been posted in the reprint article section and there is a link to that pdf in the disease section. Keep reading more to follow.

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2007, 07:44:18 PM »

Bad news
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 02:38:09 AM »

So sad really that bees are under so much pressure, like many species, the bumble bees arriving early is one more sign of nature being out of order, or a growing imbalance.  How many have watched "An inconvenient truth"?  Gore sure does "show" the statistics that most of us would rather not "see"; as we experience record temperatures/weather phenomenon and pestilence.  I wonder about the small effects of off season budding, premature bird populations not coinciding with insect populations, etc. Those who have worked close to the land have noticed for many years how the 'natural cycles' are off synch.  I have been horrified to watch year round glacial areas in our local mountains disappear, ones that have been there the ten years I have been climbing.  Droughts that make the moss crunch underfoot in a way that hurts the ear in the back of the head that is telling you 'this is bad.'
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 07:37:11 AM »

Bee C, with all due respect - the glaciers that have been there for 10 years?  Try tens of thousands, but once they weren't there at all. 

What I dislike most about the 'inconvenient truth' is it's based on scare 'science'.  We (humans) have only been here for 'ten years'.  Tying our pollution to 'global warming', something that's going to happen no matter what we do, lessens the message that we shouldn't poison our planet, our home.  We aren't going to stop global warming, any more than we're going to stop that glacier.  There are forces on this planet stronger than any group of humans.  We can control ourselves and take care of the environment, but we aren't going to do a darned thing about the climate changes that continue to go on over eons, with us or without us.

As for the bees, that's totally our fault, we imported them to America, then we imported all kinds of nasties to kill them off with our mismanagement.  Beekeeping used to be an easy hobby  Cry
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2007, 08:08:29 AM »


As for the bees, that's totally our fault, we imported them to America, then we imported all kinds of nasties to kill them off with our mismanagement.  Beekeeping used to be an easy hobby  Cry


Yup, we used skreps and burned off our bees every year, now we just destroy them with chemicals.

Beekeeping is a relatively easy hobby, read Michael Bush's lazy beekeeping.
http://www.bushfarms.com/beeslazy.htm

I find it very helpful.

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 08:31:37 AM »

>Beekeeping is a relatively easy hobby, read Michael Bush's lazy beekeeping.

It can be easy if you let it.

It's been a hard winter on the bees around here, just because of the warm spell followed by a couple of sudden cold snaps.  But I have not heard of any other problems in this neck of the woods.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 09:31:01 AM »

...>ones that have been there the 10 years I have been climbing.>

Bee C, with all due respect - the glaciers that have been there for 10 years?  Try tens of thousands, but once they weren't there at all. 

Ann, I think that BeeC was talking about him climbing the mountains for 10 years, not the glaciers being there for 10 years.  Sometimes things can be misleading in how people put their thoughts on keyboards.  Awesome day.  Cindi
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2007, 10:13:12 AM »

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How many have watched "An inconvenient truth"?

not surprising that crap makes a crappy movie.  take a statistics class.  first thing you'll learn is that statistics can be made to say anything.  also....watch who jumps on the global warming band wagon and what they want.  that also tells a part of the story.

that said....this phenomenon is certainly interesting and deserves our full attention. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2007, 11:46:42 AM »

Whoa there! :-DI did mean to spark a discussion about climate change, as I DO think our problems with bee diseases are a LOT more to do with global changes than the use of miticides, bad or neglectful beekeeping styles, etc.  I noticed that in the most recent hypothesis on colony collapse disorder that Aspergillis fungus is taking the rap.  From what i understood in the research there have been other periods where there were similar die offs perhaps due to this/other fungus as well. Aspergillis has been around for a long time, so why the impact now? or during these other periods?  My guess is wind and weather patterns, and temperature abnormalities.  The checks and balances of ecosystems not quite working?  If pests like pine beetle are destroying large swaths of forest, coral reefs dying off due to lack of oxygen, not to mention tidal dead zones enlarging, is CCD the same thing on a different level?  So many pathogens seem to be flourishing.
 I guess the problem with "an inconvenient truth" is that its perceived to be political.  No offence to you either kathy, but I have taken stats courses and earth science courses ei chemistry, biology, geology, etc.  I am well aware of the ways in which stats can be manipulated.  For example, thousands of western civilizations top climate change scientists come out of the closet repeatedly about climate change, and days later you have newspapers here citing some 'researcher' whose soon to be published work contradicts the bulwark of CONSENSUS.  I don't see a bandwagon emerging here in Canada.  Our prime minister was only a month ago calling climate change a "socialist agenda". 
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What I dislike most about the 'inconvenient truth' is it's based on scare 'science'
I know Gore is a politician so he may rub some the wrong way...but do you really not think that there is any meaningful connection between human industrial polutants in the hundreds of millions of tons per year and climate change being vastly accelerated? With resultant levels of carbon in the atmosphere MUCH HIGHER than at any point in the earths history?
I really like the title of the movie, I thought it was just simply a smart hook, until I started to discuss the movie and found how much it disturbs people.  One thing I have to disagree with Gore on is that there is hope. He isn't 'predicting' anything other than what scientists are 'describing', and still we don't want to see or hear.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2007, 01:56:53 PM »

Well said, Bee C.

Regardless of my own political leanings, I respect and admire Al Gore's exploration of global warming. Sure, natutral cycles have affected (and will continue to affect) climate, but it's more plausible than not that manmade atmospheric pollutants produced in modern times have significantly contributed to the decline of the polar icepacks. Which affects currents...which affects weather.

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Are you saying there is or isn't hope? I got the impression Gore thinks there is. In any case, I'm hedging my bets and putting pontoons on my bottom boards.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2007, 02:22:51 PM »

oh, don't get me wrong smiley.  i don't dispute global warming.  how else would you explain the end of the last ice age??

i have a problem with combining political/socialist/internationalist agenda with 50 years of stats....ignoring 100s of years of stats, ice core samples, historical data, etc. that would put great doubt on how much impact man has really had.  also ignoring sun cycles and the fact that other planet (without people, to my knowledge) are also warming up.

i also have a problem with perky little weather girls that think certification should be removed from those who don't agree with her version of global warming.....and i have a problem with the governor of our state, who is a true socialist and wants to legislate by decree what we drive, when, where, and what we put in what we drive....all without any real science to back him.  (among the other screwy things he'd like to do)

ok....i'll climb off my soap box  smiley  just remember....follow the legislation.....
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2007, 08:53:31 PM »

I just found this informarion on the meadmakers forum. But probably this is the forum it should be published. Looks scary. Have anybody noticed anything? I listened to mine two days ago, they were fine.

This news story made the AP wire earlier this week. NPR carried a segment on it this evening. One migratory beekeeper had 3,000 colonies and lost 2,000 of them. What's weird is that they reported that there were just empty hives. Not littered with dead bees, just no bees. Anyone heard more about it?

Kev

PS, can y'all take the global warming debate elsewhere? I don't like reading rants from either side of this issue.

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2007, 09:14:27 PM »

I just found this informarion on the meadmakers forum. But probably this is the forum it should be published. Looks scary. Have anybody noticed anything? I listened to mine two days ago, they were fine.

This news story made the AP wire earlier this week. NPR carried a segment on it this evening. One migratory beekeeper had 3,000 colonies and lost 2,000 of them. What's weird is that they reported that there were just empty hives. Not littered with dead bees, just no bees. Anyone heard more about it?

Kev

Oh yeah, I have heard and read way to much about it. See my previous post.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2007, 09:55:01 PM »

I think we should NOT worry about global warming until it is 102 degrees year around.And don't worry about chemicals until are homes are polluted as much as the commercial beekeepers hives are
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 07:52:07 PM »

Bee C  - you have a PM....
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I missed that thanks for point it out. I'm off to read some of the reprints.

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2007, 11:48:03 PM »

Kev,

What's the reference to swinging birches about? I recall that Russians (and maybe Finns?) like to swing birch branches around to cool themselves inside their saunas.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2007, 01:06:50 AM »

Kev,

What's the reference to swinging birches about? I recall that Russians (and maybe Finns?) like to swing birch branches around to cool themselves inside their saunas.


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That bunch of  birch twings are mention to rise the tempereture  on skin. The basic temperature in sauna is 70-80 C. Then you cast water on hot stones and it makes  hot vapour to air. You sweat in hot and dirt become loosen on your skin. With buch you give just speed. Rough leaves of Betula verrucosa rub your skin nicely.

When we have hot days in summer and we are not anxious to go wash into sauna.

Sauna is originally from Russia. Near Chinese border Russians have very same kind saunas like in Finland.

I have read that American indians have had tent saunas too. Hot stones in the middle on teepee.



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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2007, 04:47:08 AM »

Sweatlodges are done by north and south american indians.  I've even heard of innuit having them. grin
In our area, the "traditional way" practiced by first nations people is like birch or maple branch dome with skins or other canvass covering.  Dirt floors, lined with cedar boughs.  Or dug earth sweatlodges with cedar walls.  Ive done sweatlodges here and some were very hot.  Really cleansing, and then you jump into a large creek.  Running water is supposed to be used after apparently.  What they call finnish style sauna here, is a cedar room with wooden benches and water thrown onto rocks.  Nice also. grin
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