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« on: February 05, 2007, 11:19:09 PM »

is Florida in trouble?HuhHuh
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-climate02feb02,0,4032481.story
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 11:46:57 PM »

In a nutshell yes. If the icecaps keep melting and the water level goes up 10 feet than most of the state will end up underwater.

The expectation is for this to happen over next 50 years.

The problem is my wife doesn't want to move to Los Angeles.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2007, 01:21:37 AM »

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

first, i wouldn't put to much store in anything that comes out of the UN.  second, global warming has been going on for 100's of years or we'd all be living on ice sheets from the last ice age.  third, if the earth warms up to the point where the oceans rise, we'll do what others before us did and move.  there are a good number of cities and maybe even whole continents under water, for one reason or another.  unless the people got caught off guard by a great catastrophe, or were completely stupid, they moved inland.

we probably have things more immediate to worry about.  in the next 100 years or so, who knows what will happen.  one good volcano or meteorite, and it's back to the ice age.....
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2007, 01:25:53 AM »

But if we blame it on the human factor and make people believe it then we can pass more laws in order to have more control over the people.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2007, 08:26:29 AM »

But if we blame it on the human factor and make people believe it then we can pass more laws in order to have more control over the people.
Bingo!  It's all about control, and the sheeple shuffle willingly along without thinking   rolleyes

See this article from Nir Shariv.  He's an Israeli astrophysicist who I think has more of a clue than many of the global warming true believers.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2007, 08:57:16 AM »

There was a show I got glued on last night called "Sahara" on history international channel.  This area of africa was once a lush area with lots of water and they said they believe it experienced its collapse because  too much plant life building up over the years.  It caused more evaporation of the water and then plant life began to die and then more water evaporation.  When the big rain storms would come in the area it had become so hot that the water fell from the sky but never hit the ground through super evaporation and was whisked away back with the storm.  Sooooooooooooo  in a nut shell I think what we are experiencing is a cycle.  Which cycle, or what cycle I don't know.
Good thing I live in the north-central part of florida.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2007, 09:11:29 AM »

hey Dallas one day you might have beach front property.....  grin
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2007, 05:08:36 PM »

When I was in grade school they said the nukes would end the world in the near future, oil would be gone by now and we would be living on the moon.And they said the ice age was returning,so sometimes I think they preach science of political convenience.
As far as the U.N. is concerned, I don't believe anything that comes out of that body of corruption and
other than the fact it is a coalition of hate America first!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2007, 05:32:15 PM »

Times like this I'm glad I live 36 feet above sea level.  Ineterestingly, this ties very much into a buck I just finished, "Field Notes on a Catastrophe".  By the way, I strongly disagree Jerrymac and reinbeau.  "Global Warming" is not just a plot to enact stricter control by governments, this is not "1984".  And, while it has occured natrually over millions of years, humans have certainly accelerated the process.  The increased consumption of petrolium fuels and therefore, vehicular tansportation have released enough carbon dioxide, ozone, and sulfur dioxide to basically create a blanket of heat on the earth. 

The hypothesis I follow most is that this warming will be greatly controled by the Atlantic thermal converyer.  Eventually, enought of hte ice caps will melt, dillute the sea and, when they're delluted enough, heat will have less distribution from the equator resulting in a refreezing.  As for in my life time, I wonder how the weather is inland...
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2007, 05:40:12 PM »

couldn't agree more with apis. and don't know why bother adding more info., he's said it all. it's not the question of IF, not even WHEN but HOW SOON?
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2007, 06:22:56 PM »

"Global Warming" is not just a plot to enact stricter control by governments, this is not "1984". 

Global warming is not a plot but claiming that it is caused by humans is a way to get the sheep to believe there needs to be more controls on peoples lives. What does 1984 have to do with anything? Governments and people placed in positions of power will find and use any excuse to gain more power over others.

The earth has a vast history of climate changes and not all of them caused by asteroids. As pointed out earlier there are cycles. There has been cycles before man ever walked the face of the earth.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2007, 06:53:25 PM »

you got it jerrymac.  apis629, i know that is want some scientists say, but they can not back it up with proof.  in fact, there have been time before industrialization that the earth has been much warmer.  that can be backed up with science.  there have also been times when co2 levels have been very high without industrial pollution of man.  sulfur dioxide is dumped into the air by volcanos and volcanic eruptions have  cause major, if temporary, climate change.  climate change that resulted in many thousands of deaths.


i do not dispute global warming, but there is no proof that it is man made.  there was a study not long ago that said the cleaner air was contributing to global warming, along with a natural cycle that the sun was going through. 

folks are upset that we didn't sign Kyoto.  it was a massively flawed treaty.  there are countries that did sign and now wish to withdraw.  it exempted developing nations like china, who are busy building as many cheap, unrestricted, factories and undercutting costs for goods in the rest of the world.  i'm a free market person, but this stinks of international socialism.  and "gotcha US" globalism. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2007, 11:09:32 PM »

The problem is, everyone has a hypothesis, but no one can prove them.  It's all just a bunch of people trying to scare everyone into living the way that they think we should.  Look at Mr. Al Gore, preaching how everyone should cut back on high emission cars to slow global warming, but here he is flying all over the place in his jet just a spewin' the carbon dioxide.  What, to good for coach?  I'm not denying GW, but we aren't the sole cause, I don't even think the main cause.  I look it this way, the earth is like a big dog, and the life that inhabits it are like fleas.  Every so often, the dog shakes some fleas off, that's just the way things work.  I mean it's happend before, the dinosaurs weren't driving around in big suv's or belching smoke out of towering stacks of a factory, the earth just shook them off....in so many words.  I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to cut down on some of the things we do that add polution to the environment, but quit trying to cram down my throat that we are the sole problem, especially the US.  We pump pure oxygen into the air from our factorys compaired to India, and some of those other countrys that have no limitations on what they spew into the air.  They make it sound like the world is gonna flood and freeze over in a day.... some of these people watch too much tv.  Don't they have some video games to boycott, or some taxes to raise?
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 10:07:23 AM »

how to prove WE did it? well, it might be impossible, but so is impossible to prove, let's say...sun did it, or...a vulcano did it. kheh, and here we are, or should i say there are some who claim it's not humans fault. oh please...stop living in a denial. ok, i've already said it's close to impossible to blaim anything (sun, humanity, other natural causes) so all we can do is to make logical assumptions....here i go...for past millions of years carbon stores have builded up in earths atmosphere in different forms which we call fossil fuels. when fossil fuel or almost any other thing is being burned it emmits CO2 ( so far so true?). sooo if we burn fossil fuel mass that took millions of years to store we do a VERY RADICAL move, right? on a global scale of course. as far as CO2 making/increasing the global warming effect...he who does not believe it, is ready for sanitarium,sorry.

i don't wish to judge anyone but i agree, US should sign Kyoto protocol, and about US regular citizens...again it's not your fault and i'm not blaiming anyone here but...how much does a regular car "drink" per 100km? European cars...i think i can say it's average 7-8l.

everyone say that...i'm only one person, what effect can i have...well BIG, but if we all say this...i know, i'm the same, but ...it's just how human nature is...capitalistic period. if i was any better, i wouldn't be writting this, since i'd have no computer ...but still there are things that can be changed with minor effects on our lives.


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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 10:27:15 AM »

The tilt of the earth changes. The orbit of the earth changes.
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2007, 10:33:06 AM »

if the tilt changed...so would the lenght of our day...or, no...the poles would have either more or less sun-light per year so this would NOT go unseen..if the orbit changed....they'd noticed it, if they/we know moon moves 3cm a year away from us, orbital change of planet earth, which would effect our atmosphere would not go unseen either. plus, this makes no sense, or should i say, tell me, why it would effect global warming? remeber, i told you how we probably effected it.

i always get into arguments that are...one way arguments, i am always the one that has to prove something, while my "partners" always only ask those questions, never do they answer, please...don't turn this conversation this way. it's your turn to prove.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 10:47:34 AM »

EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.html
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don't wish to judge anyone but i agree, US should sign Kyoto protocol, and about US regular citizens...again it's not your fault and I'm not blaiming anyone here but...how much does a regular car "drink" per 100km? European cars...i think i can say it's average 7-8l.

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1. Kyoto is very flawed and no one should have signed it.  it punishes countries that produce and take care of those who do not produce.  in fact, some of us wonder if it wasn't designed that way?

2. "US regular citizens" must take the blame, if there is any.  we choose to use our cars as we do and we choose to drive big cars.  (I'd like women in this country to take a special test before they are allowed to drive anything bigger than a Honda, but i guess that won't happen.)

the US is also different from Europe in many ways.  size is one way.  your county, for instance, is smaller than many of our states.  in smaller European towns, you can walk to the store, or if you have to drive, you can park in one place and do all your shopping on foot.  not so here. things are spread out.  Europeans also think nothing of jumping on a jet to go from country to country, even though the difference in distance is only 100 miles.  we don't usually have to option of flying from state to state, or it is cheaper to drive.

3.  you drive little cars on little streets and take twice as long to get someplace.  they are not very comfortable if you want to pack up the family for a trip.  you can't throw hay in the back of a fiat.


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we are a creation, or perhaps a happening, on a chunk of dirt.  it's not mystical.  we exist in the same way that a rose bush exists, except we can think.  since we think, we rule.  we can decide what we want to do.

i am all for conservation.  i am not for signing meaningless treaties designed by people who think people, and especially people in the US, are parasites.




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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 11:06:26 AM »

i read it---quickly and all i could read was.-..insignificant, or should i say mpt expected to have a major effect and of course It is important to note that we are talking about long-term trends here
melting of ice caps that have been there for about 50.000 years in only 50 years isn't what one would call a long term melting.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 11:14:47 AM »

So who are the people hollering about man made global warming???  that's key to the whole question.

they are the protectors of free speech!  they are the protectors of mans rights!

how's that working out?

 well, you have the UN.....  corrupt, racist, rapers of women and children and haters of the US.

  then you have the liberals in the US......lovers of the UN.  lovers of the weather babe who thinks that weather folks out to fall in line or lose certification.... "If a meteorologist has an AMS Seal of Approval, which is used to confer legitimacy to TV meteorologists, then meteorologists have a responsibility to truly educate themselves on the science of global warming." "Meteorologists are among the few people trained in the sciences who are permitted regular access to our living rooms. And in that sense, they owe it to their audience to distinguish between solid, peer-reviewed science and junk political controversy." "If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval."
 

and then there is my state...the socialist republic or oregon.....http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_020607_news_taylor_title.59f5d04a.html

so much for diversity of thought....ya all fall in line now!
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