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« on: February 05, 2007, 11:19:09 PM »

is Florida in trouble?HuhHuh
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 11:46:57 PM »

In a nutshell yes. If the icecaps keep melting and the water level goes up 10 feet than most of the state will end up underwater.

The expectation is for this to happen over next 50 years.

The problem is my wife doesn't want to move to Los Angeles.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2007, 01:21:37 AM »

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

first, i wouldn't put to much store in anything that comes out of the UN.  second, global warming has been going on for 100's of years or we'd all be living on ice sheets from the last ice age.  third, if the earth warms up to the point where the oceans rise, we'll do what others before us did and move.  there are a good number of cities and maybe even whole continents under water, for one reason or another.  unless the people got caught off guard by a great catastrophe, or were completely stupid, they moved inland.

we probably have things more immediate to worry about.  in the next 100 years or so, who knows what will happen.  one good volcano or meteorite, and it's back to the ice age.....
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2007, 01:25:53 AM »

But if we blame it on the human factor and make people believe it then we can pass more laws in order to have more control over the people.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2007, 08:26:29 AM »

But if we blame it on the human factor and make people believe it then we can pass more laws in order to have more control over the people.
Bingo!  It's all about control, and the sheeple shuffle willingly along without thinking   rolleyes

See this article from Nir Shariv.  He's an Israeli astrophysicist who I think has more of a clue than many of the global warming true believers.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2007, 08:57:16 AM »

There was a show I got glued on last night called "Sahara" on history international channel.  This area of africa was once a lush area with lots of water and they said they believe it experienced its collapse because  too much plant life building up over the years.  It caused more evaporation of the water and then plant life began to die and then more water evaporation.  When the big rain storms would come in the area it had become so hot that the water fell from the sky but never hit the ground through super evaporation and was whisked away back with the storm.  Sooooooooooooo  in a nut shell I think what we are experiencing is a cycle.  Which cycle, or what cycle I don't know.
Good thing I live in the north-central part of florida.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2007, 09:11:29 AM »

hey Dallas one day you might have beach front property.....  grin
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2007, 05:08:36 PM »

When I was in grade school they said the nukes would end the world in the near future, oil would be gone by now and we would be living on the moon.And they said the ice age was returning,so sometimes I think they preach science of political convenience.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2007, 05:32:15 PM »

Times like this I'm glad I live 36 feet above sea level.  Ineterestingly, this ties very much into a buck I just finished, "Field Notes on a Catastrophe".  By the way, I strongly disagree Jerrymac and reinbeau.  "Global Warming" is not just a plot to enact stricter control by governments, this is not "1984".  And, while it has occured natrually over millions of years, humans have certainly accelerated the process.  The increased consumption of petrolium fuels and therefore, vehicular tansportation have released enough carbon dioxide, ozone, and sulfur dioxide to basically create a blanket of heat on the earth. 

The hypothesis I follow most is that this warming will be greatly controled by the Atlantic thermal converyer.  Eventually, enought of hte ice caps will melt, dillute the sea and, when they're delluted enough, heat will have less distribution from the equator resulting in a refreezing.  As for in my life time, I wonder how the weather is inland...
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2007, 05:40:12 PM »

couldn't agree more with apis. and don't know why bother adding more info., he's said it all. it's not the question of IF, not even WHEN but HOW SOON?
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2007, 06:22:56 PM »

"Global Warming" is not just a plot to enact stricter control by governments, this is not "1984". 

Global warming is not a plot but claiming that it is caused by humans is a way to get the sheep to believe there needs to be more controls on peoples lives. What does 1984 have to do with anything? Governments and people placed in positions of power will find and use any excuse to gain more power over others.

The earth has a vast history of climate changes and not all of them caused by asteroids. As pointed out earlier there are cycles. There has been cycles before man ever walked the face of the earth.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2007, 06:53:25 PM »

you got it jerrymac.  apis629, i know that is want some scientists say, but they can not back it up with proof.  in fact, there have been time before industrialization that the earth has been much warmer.  that can be backed up with science.  there have also been times when co2 levels have been very high without industrial pollution of man.  sulfur dioxide is dumped into the air by volcanos and volcanic eruptions have  cause major, if temporary, climate change.  climate change that resulted in many thousands of deaths.


i do not dispute global warming, but there is no proof that it is man made.  there was a study not long ago that said the cleaner air was contributing to global warming, along with a natural cycle that the sun was going through. 

folks are upset that we didn't sign Kyoto.  it was a massively flawed treaty.  there are countries that did sign and now wish to withdraw.  it exempted developing nations like china, who are busy building as many cheap, unrestricted, factories and undercutting costs for goods in the rest of the world.  i'm a free market person, but this stinks of international socialism.  and "gotcha US" globalism. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2007, 11:09:32 PM »

The problem is, everyone has a hypothesis, but no one can prove them.  It's all just a bunch of people trying to scare everyone into living the way that they think we should.  Look at Mr. Al Gore, preaching how everyone should cut back on high emission cars to slow global warming, but here he is flying all over the place in his jet just a spewin' the carbon dioxide.  What, to good for coach?  I'm not denying GW, but we aren't the sole cause, I don't even think the main cause.  I look it this way, the earth is like a big dog, and the life that inhabits it are like fleas.  Every so often, the dog shakes some fleas off, that's just the way things work.  I mean it's happend before, the dinosaurs weren't driving around in big suv's or belching smoke out of towering stacks of a factory, the earth just shook them off....in so many words.  I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to cut down on some of the things we do that add polution to the environment, but quit trying to cram down my throat that we are the sole problem, especially the US.  We pump pure oxygen into the air from our factorys compaired to India, and some of those other countrys that have no limitations on what they spew into the air.  They make it sound like the world is gonna flood and freeze over in a day.... some of these people watch too much tv.  Don't they have some video games to boycott, or some taxes to raise?
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 10:07:23 AM »

how to prove WE did it? well, it might be impossible, but so is impossible to prove, let's say...sun did it, or...a vulcano did it. kheh, and here we are, or should i say there are some who claim it's not humans fault. oh please...stop living in a denial. ok, i've already said it's close to impossible to blaim anything (sun, humanity, other natural causes) so all we can do is to make logical assumptions....here i go...for past millions of years carbon stores have builded up in earths atmosphere in different forms which we call fossil fuels. when fossil fuel or almost any other thing is being burned it emmits CO2 ( so far so true?). sooo if we burn fossil fuel mass that took millions of years to store we do a VERY RADICAL move, right? on a global scale of course. as far as CO2 making/increasing the global warming effect...he who does not believe it, is ready for sanitarium,sorry.

i don't wish to judge anyone but i agree, US should sign Kyoto protocol, and about US regular citizens...again it's not your fault and i'm not blaiming anyone here but...how much does a regular car "drink" per 100km? European cars...i think i can say it's average 7-8l.

everyone say that...i'm only one person, what effect can i have...well BIG, but if we all say this...i know, i'm the same, but ...it's just how human nature is...capitalistic period. if i was any better, i wouldn't be writting this, since i'd have no computer ...but still there are things that can be changed with minor effects on our lives.


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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 10:27:15 AM »

The tilt of the earth changes. The orbit of the earth changes.
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2007, 10:33:06 AM »

if the tilt changed...so would the lenght of our day...or, no...the poles would have either more or less sun-light per year so this would NOT go unseen..if the orbit changed....they'd noticed it, if they/we know moon moves 3cm a year away from us, orbital change of planet earth, which would effect our atmosphere would not go unseen either. plus, this makes no sense, or should i say, tell me, why it would effect global warming? remeber, i told you how we probably effected it.

i always get into arguments that are...one way arguments, i am always the one that has to prove something, while my "partners" always only ask those questions, never do they answer, please...don't turn this conversation this way. it's your turn to prove.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 10:47:34 AM »

EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.html
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don't wish to judge anyone but i agree, US should sign Kyoto protocol, and about US regular citizens...again it's not your fault and I'm not blaiming anyone here but...how much does a regular car "drink" per 100km? European cars...i think i can say it's average 7-8l.

comeonnow.... Wink

1. Kyoto is very flawed and no one should have signed it.  it punishes countries that produce and take care of those who do not produce.  in fact, some of us wonder if it wasn't designed that way?

2. "US regular citizens" must take the blame, if there is any.  we choose to use our cars as we do and we choose to drive big cars.  (I'd like women in this country to take a special test before they are allowed to drive anything bigger than a Honda, but i guess that won't happen.)

the US is also different from Europe in many ways.  size is one way.  your county, for instance, is smaller than many of our states.  in smaller European towns, you can walk to the store, or if you have to drive, you can park in one place and do all your shopping on foot.  not so here. things are spread out.  Europeans also think nothing of jumping on a jet to go from country to country, even though the difference in distance is only 100 miles.  we don't usually have to option of flying from state to state, or it is cheaper to drive.

3.  you drive little cars on little streets and take twice as long to get someplace.  they are not very comfortable if you want to pack up the family for a trip.  you can't throw hay in the back of a fiat.


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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 11:06:26 AM »

i read it---quickly and all i could read was.-..insignificant, or should i say mpt expected to have a major effect and of course It is important to note that we are talking about long-term trends here
melting of ice caps that have been there for about 50.000 years in only 50 years isn't what one would call a long term melting.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 11:14:47 AM »

So who are the people hollering about man made global warming???  that's key to the whole question.

they are the protectors of free speech!  they are the protectors of mans rights!

how's that working out?

 well, you have the UN.....  corrupt, racist, rapers of women and children and haters of the US.

  then you have the liberals in the US......lovers of the UN.  lovers of the weather babe who thinks that weather folks out to fall in line or lose certification.... "If a meteorologist has an AMS Seal of Approval, which is used to confer legitimacy to TV meteorologists, then meteorologists have a responsibility to truly educate themselves on the science of global warming." "Meteorologists are among the few people trained in the sciences who are permitted regular access to our living rooms. And in that sense, they owe it to their audience to distinguish between solid, peer-reviewed science and junk political controversy." "If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval."
 

and then there is my state...the socialist republic or oregon.....http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_020607_news_taylor_title.59f5d04a.html

so much for diversity of thought....ya all fall in line now!
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2007, 11:20:11 AM »

oh kathy...you have got to be kiddin me? little streets with little cars. things spread out...oh dear oh dear. living here without a car is...close to impossible, just tell me, how can i do all my shoppings, the first-bigger grocery shop is 4km away, the nearest clothes shopping centre or something is 25km away, my school is 20km away, my working place is 4 km away, library is also 4km away...just like you live in the rural areas of US so do i, only in Slovenia. car is a must! and it doesn't have to eat 6gal per 100 miles to get you from A to B fast, not to mention, it can still be big. and yes, actually i can throw hay in the back of our fiat, but i don't need to, since we have 2 tractors and the stall is at home. and tell me how this car isn't comfortable?
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2007, 11:53:57 AM »

fiats are comfortable.  i drove one in Italy.  driving in Italy isn't comfortable...no matter what you drive!  smiley

I'm not sure how to explain the difference.  in the US, people move out to rural areas just because they want to.  they drive 40 or 50 miles (around 65 km)  to work every day just so that they can live "in the country".  in those parts of Europe that i have visited, people don't live out in the country unless they farm.  people tend to live closer to work and shopping and towns/cities. 

the Europeans i know (mostly family) do not take vacation by car.  they fly, or maybe take a train to their destination.  in the US, we pack up the family and the junk and take a road trip.  it is generally cheaper to pack the care and drive, than to try to fly the entire family somewhere and then rent a car at the other end.  i would not pack the family and the stuff in a fiat.

when my sister shops in england, she drives into the little village and parks.  she does her shopping and drives home.  it's about 10 km for her to go shopping.  if she lived some place like London, she wouldn't drive at all.

i found the same to be true in Germany, and Italy.  people did not drive as much.  what they needed was close at hand.  a trip that i would consider short, and no big deal in the US, they consider a major trip and might just fly there rather than drive.

as an example....my parents live about 800 miles (1,287.47 km).  it is a one day trip and i don't mind driving down there for a few days and driving back......
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2007, 12:22:49 PM »

I live outside of the city, there is no public transportation for me, but I don't commute into any city for work, etc.

People live where they want to live for their own reasons.  I couldn't live in a very populated area like a city, I'd wither and die.  I need space.  I really don't want to justify my feelings to make someone else happy.  The US is a huge country with many different environs to live in.  I wouldn't have it any other way.

What I'd really like is for the car industry to come up with alternative fuel vehicles for us. 

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I can drive anything, and practically have.  I am an excellent driver of anything with wheels and an engine, and really can't understand how another woman could make such a statement?  There's plenty of morons out there driving, of both sexes.  shocked

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2007, 12:44:13 PM »

ok kathy apparently we got into a totally off topic topic. what i meant about cars is...your cars are different, i mean the engines, i don't know the english term and i certanly don't know what's different, but your cars simply eat more fuel. this can be changed with LITTLE influence on US citizens lives, that was my point.
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i agree about the fuel, but no alternative is without cost to someone.  ask the Mexicans about tortilla costs. 

and yes, about women driving things bigger than a Honda?  i am dead serious.  most of them are to fat and lazy to park where the vehicle will fit, so they squeeze that thing in up front and block other vehicles.  on top of that, you know they won't park straight.  they don't haul anything except kids and groceries.  they drive a big rig because they "feel safer", while they chat on the phone and kill the rest of us. I'm not usually into the male/female competition thing, but in this case, women in general have no business in anything bigger than a 4 banger

i drive an F250 long bed with a 17 ft horse trailer on the back. 
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it can.  we have more fuel efficient cars than what many people choose to drive.  my husband drives a Honda, and when I'm not hauling, i drive a Toyota.  both are more fuel efficient. 

i guess it comes down to choice.  most of us are opposed to the government telling us what we can and can't do (or drive).  at the moment, we have a romping good economy and people can afford the fuel prices.  even those who are in a twist about global warming are probably not doing much to change their driving behavior.  it's much easier to fuss than to change.

American car companies are not doing to well.  there are a number of reasons for this.  foreign car companies are building more fuel efficient cars and so by default, Americans are driving more fuel efficient cars.  there are more hybrids on the road.  emission standards are much higher....and may i say....much higher than most of the places i traveled in Europe.

Europeans have a view of Americans consuming the world and living under some black, sooty cloud of our own pollution.  they especially think that since we didn't sign Kyoto.  it is not true.  our air quality standards are higher than most of the worlds, and they are enforced more strictly than in most other countries.  a law on the books is not good if it's not enforced.

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2007, 02:12:16 PM »

Well, Kathy, we'll have to agree to disagree about the women driver thing, I know way too many men who park sideways at the convenience store, taking up two spaces in a small parking lot because they're far too important to bother with lines.  Yes, I know about little women who drive too big vehicles, but I find it interesting you don't see the same thing in the male organ-enhancement that goes on with men and vehicles.  evil 

I went to London a few years ago (I think 1998) and couldn't believe how bad the air was there.  Boston has never been that bad in my experience. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2007, 02:56:16 PM »

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i do, but that seems to be more middle age, sports car things....  smiley
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2007, 03:01:41 PM »

and why are women "safer" drivers? coz when men drive they have to worry about all the women on the road, and sometimes they forget about other things, and unfortunatelly end up in an accident.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2007, 03:56:32 PM »

On the flooding issue....wheres all the water coming from???
Take a globe and spin it around...there very little white compared to the blue...
And most of the white is floating.....
When ice floats only a small precentage sticks outta the water...
When ice melts into water it gets smaller....

I think most of the excess water will go into our atmosphere and cause all kinds of nasty storms and weather patterns...

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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2007, 05:29:12 PM »

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i do, but that seems to be more middle age, sports car things....  smiley

My theroy on that is(as a 20-somthing male), when you are starting out in life, you don't really acululate the funds for a little sports car, so you ave to wait until you actually can afford it.  I'm still not old enough.... Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2007, 05:44:48 PM »

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that's a good thing!  i used to have a 280ZX.  two tone, Ttop.  awesome car.  when my boys started driving, i sold it.  i refused to sell it to anyone under the age of 30, and turned down a father who wanted to buy if for his teenage son.  i didn't want to feel responsible if some kid wrapped it around a tree.....

then my youngest, upon graduating from college and getting his commission....bought a mustang.  he won't let me drive it....sad  payback he says for selling the Z!  i get it when he ships out in a few months.  I'm going to "take care" of it for him  evil
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« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2007, 05:54:26 PM »

i don't wish to judge anyone but i agree, US should sign Kyoto protocol, and about US regular citizens...again it's not your fault and i'm not blaiming anyone here but...how much does a regular car "drink" per 100km? European cars...i think i can say it's average 7-8l.


I have a Honda Odysee that gets roughly 25miles/Gal.  and a Chevy Cavalier that gets 33miles/gal.  To me it sounds like most of this stuff comes from a haterid of the US.  So many people hate the US, and why?  We're people just like you are.  Not everyone here agrees with what the president, or the people in charge say and do, but we're here just like everyone else.  All countries have their problems.  And they have ways of doing and running things.  But, the way it shows on the news, and what you hear on the radio, other countries hate us because of what we have, or what we do.  We're not hurting anyone, well, I'm not anyways.  I get up I goto work I come home and spend time with my family.  I'm not rich, but I'm not poor either.  I'm lost somewhere in the middle, just keeping my head above water.  But I never ask for a handout, or ask that someone else suffer so that I can have a better life.  But that's what it seems like other countries see us as.  A race of people that care nothing about anyone else but ourselves.  To me thats so far from the truth.  I'm not bragging or talking down to anyone when I say this, but for all the bad that everyone claims the US is, where would the world be without us?  Yes, we have things in our past that we shouldn't be proud of, but doesn't everyone?  So if the US never exsisted, where would we be?  Would I even be alive?  Maybe we'd all be speaking German, or maybe even Arabic?  Maybe the world wouldn't even be here.  Who knows.  I just get tired of hearing about all the troubles in the world, and how there's too much war, there too much corruption, and the greenhouse gases are at a all time high, and as who ever's always stand on their soap box, they grabboth sides of the podium, tilt there head down, pear over the top of their glasses and always silently look over towards us, like it's all our fault.  It just get's old.  Ok, I'm stepping down off my box now.  All this aside, I hope you all have a good night.
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« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2007, 06:06:34 PM »

oh dear, you're making this sound like i hate you or something. absolutely not, i'm just as responsible for greenhouse effect like any other human being on this planet. yes, even those who don't use cars or something are guilty aswell. some would say why?? well, they would do the same if they could, the whole world is trying to achieve US/europes standard, so everyone else is just as guilty.

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« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2007, 06:25:02 PM »

ah mici, we don't take it personally.  i don't anyway. 

i think just get a little frustrated sometimes when we read the press or listen to the UN and it seems like the US is constantly blamed and attacked for everything....until someone needs something, then they look to the US for whatever it is.

i also know that what we read and hear from the European press is not very representative of how the general public feels.  OUR press is not very representative of how the general US public feels.

I'm not very politically correct (you may have noticed).  i think people need to talk straight up.  no problems are solved and no understanding come to, by talking around a thing.  i try not to offend folks, but i never want someone to walk away from a conversation with me, and wonder where i stand on a thing.  i expect the same from others.....and i am not offended smiley
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« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2007, 08:18:20 PM »

oh dear, you're making this sound like i hate you or something. absolutely not, i'm just as responsible for greenhouse

I didn't mean you personally, it's just the way our country is portrayed in the media.  Everywhere you turn the US is messing something else up.  It's like we're picked apart for everything we do.  WE drive around in the big SUV's.  WE start wars for oil.  WE do what ever we want to.  It just gets old.  And it's not just other countries, our own do it too.  We have a political party that want to control everything we do, like we can't make our own decisions.  I'm sure if they had their own way they'd take up all our money and redistribute it they way they think it should be and then spen the rest the way they think our money should be spent.  Why not just invite Castro over and fire up the bar-b-q.  Another party wants to protect everyone everywhere, and lend us out every chance they get.  They too think they know what is better for us, just not as bad as the first.  And none of them can get together on anything except fattening their ouw pockets.   There's too much government as it is, and most of the time I think they have forgotten what their real job is.  It's not to strip us of our freedom, but to keep us safe, and protect us from our enemies.  I think they'd rather tell us what we can and can't do though.  In the big pictue though, this is a great country, and for all it's faults, I still love my country.  Just wish we could be more productive, and less disagreeable. 


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« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2007, 09:29:13 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2007, 04:51:03 PM »

Jelousy creates a contray condition.  The most successful are denigrated by the less fortunate, or less able, because it has what everyone else wants.  Hence, the USA is the worlds kicking post.
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2007, 08:57:23 PM »

What do you mean global WARMING here its more like global freezing. two days we had delays for school it was so cold.
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you may make that choice.  loving everyone is a noble goal.  just remember that you can't make them love you back!
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you know, i never would have believed that, but last year when i was in England i asked my BIL about it.  Why does it seems that Europe hates the US?  first thing he told me is that most people don't.  they have the whole red/blue thing there.  get out of London and folks are pretty 'red'.  second thing he said is that Europe is starting to realize the failures of their socialist policies and they are jealous that we seem to keep booming along.  they pick on us for not having things like universal health care, but they are struggling to pay for the same, without bankrupting the whole system.  now, my BIL is pretty liberal, but he's having a problem with the whole EU concept.   as he sees it, it's a way to redistribute wealth between the countries that are sound financially, and those (like France) that are not.  anyway....that's the RD version of the conversation smiley
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2007, 09:47:14 PM »

The more us humans work agin nature the worse it will be
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Quote;  Global warming is our fault we are told
           Truth is Big Brother is getting too bold.

            He seeds the atmosphere with all things except gold
            which makes our two poles much warmer than cold

             Look to the sky and you shall see
             the chemical fallout falling on you and me

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              P.S. Could it be dwindle disease is connected in some way?

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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2007, 09:17:05 AM »

I think dwindle is caused by pollution to the hive by chemicals
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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2007, 10:32:01 AM »

I think dwindle is caused by pollution to the hive by chemicals
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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2007, 09:23:55 AM »

Well, we've used no chemicals and lost both hives.  To the dwindling disease?  Who knows?  Time will tell.
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2007, 09:53:55 AM »

Ann, sorry about the loss.  I have only 2 left out of 10 that I had at the end of last summer. It is a bummer.  Well, charge on to this season, keep that chin up and think of all that you are doing for your bees this year.  Keep picturing the beautiful gardens and nourishment.  Awesome day.  Cindi
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