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« on: February 05, 2007, 05:45:19 PM »

I received this report today from Jerry Hayes. It is a 21 page report on Fall Dwindle Disease. It is in pdf form.

http://www.beekeeperspbc.com/files/disease_revision.pdf

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 06:45:55 PM »

Great information, thanks for the info.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2007, 04:53:26 PM »

May I have a sticky on this pretty please.

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 11:30:18 PM »

I was thinking with mad cow disease the farmers chopped up the hooves and feed them back to the cows right?

Well what about Bee's are we giving any thing back to the bee's that they give to us? I was thinking Pollen. thats about it, Could it be wax?

What are some new Chemicals used on the hives for pesticides?
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 06:30:40 AM »

I was thinking with mad cow disease the farmers chopped up the hooves and feed them back to the cows right?

Well what about Bee's are we giving any thing back to the bee's that they give to us? I was thinking Pollen. thats about it, Could it be wax?

What are some new Chemicals used on the hives for pesticides?

The research is uncertain right now as to the cause. It could be anything from genectics, parasites, or chemicles. It could be a combo of them or it could be none of them. The problem right now is all the speculation does is feed the FUD(Fear Uncertainty Doubt).

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 06:30:44 AM »

>Could it be wax?

The entire beeswax supply is contaminated with Fluvalinate (Apistan) and Cumaphos (Check mite) both of which are lipophilic (love fat or wax) and build up in the wax supply, which is then used to make foundation.

We keep adding the poisons and they keep building up.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 09:26:16 PM »

There has been a flood of stories on the news the past few days on this topic. It seems to be creating some panic...

States with reports of colony collapse disorder
KTRE-TV East Texas - Feb 12 11:30 PM
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COLONY COLLAPSE DISORDER: Illness stings honeybees
The Charlotte Observer - Feb 12 12:09 AM
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Mystery killer plagues bee hives
The News & Observer - Feb 14 12:33 AM
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Beekeepers alarmed by killer disease
WALB News 10 - Feb 13 1:22 PM
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Some non-beekeeper friends reported seeing the story on the local TV news and didn't understand it very well.

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 09:38:31 PM »

To many Chemicals
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 09:50:24 PM »

Someone on another board suggested it might be that they are trying to kill the mosquitoes because of West Nile and maybe the bees are drinking from water that is being poisoned to kill the mosquitoes.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 10:20:44 PM »

Some one suggested on another forum that the magnetic fields might be changing.  huh

do bee's even realy on magnetic feilds? And what about the birds?
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 10:28:31 PM »

This is all just speculation untill they figure it out.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 10:45:15 PM »

This seems to be more or less the central point for real scientific information on this:
http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pressReleases/ColonyCollapseDisorderWG.html

Here is a recent follow up pdf of the one previously posted:
http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pressReleases/FallDwindleDisTalkAustin.pdf

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Factors not in common
– Antibiotic use
– Miticide used
– Source of queens
– Supplemental feed
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 Factors in common
– migratory
– cumulative dead-out rate of >30%
– continuously “split” to increase numbers
– experienced “stress” 2 months before die-off
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Tentative Hypothesis
 Common denominator is the presence of fungi,
likely Aspergillus sp. (stonebrood)
 Burnside 1930
– Caused infected adult bees to fly from hive and die
 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNISTIC FUNGUS LIKELY
ABLE TO ESTABLISH BECAUSE OF ANOTHER
CONDITION


So it it beginning to look like a case of stressed migratory bees being unable to fight off the fungi that causes stonebrood.  I would be interested to know if this fungi is always present in hives, or if the affected migratory bees were all used in the same geographic region and picked it up there.  Anyway, most of us need not worry about this.
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 10:55:09 PM »

I have to find the source of this but on the same forum some one posted this

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The neonicotinioids, for example imidacloprid, are a rather new class of pesticides.the EPA identifies these chemicals as highly toxic to honey bees. "Clothianiden is highly toxic to honey bees on an acute basis (LD50>0.0439 mg/bee). It has the potential for toxic chronic exposure to honey bees, as well as other non-target pollinator through the translocation of clothianidine resides in nectar and pollen. In honey bees, the effects of this toxic chronic exposure may include lethal and/or sub-lethal effect in the larvae and reproductive effects on the queen". [EPA Fact Sheet on Clothianiden]. Some researchers have not found this effect but most were looking for mortality and not chronic or behavioral effect. In addition, a study in NC found that some of these neonictinoids in combination with certain fungicides, synergized to increase the toxicity of the neonicotinoid over 1,000 fold in lab studies. Both the neonicotinoids and the fungicides (Terraguard and Procure) are use widely.

Recent research tested crops where seed was treated with imidacloprid. The chemical was present, by systemic uptake, in corn, sunflowers and rape pollen in levels high enough to pose a threat to honey bees. Additional research has found that imidacloprid impairs the memory and brain metabolism of bees, particularly the area of the brain that is used for making new memories.

Implication: If bees are eating fresh or stored pollen contaminated with these chemicals at low levels, they may not cause mortality but may impact the bee’s ability to learn or make memories. If this is the case, young bees leaving the hive to make orientation flights may not be able to learn the location of the hive and may not be returning causing the colonies to dwindle and eventually die. It is also possible that this is not the sole cause of the dwindling but one of several factors contributing factors.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 10:59:56 PM »

This seems to be more or less the central point for real scientific information on this:
http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pressReleases/ColonyCollapseDisorderWG.html

Here is a recent follow up pdf of the one previously posted:
http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pressReleases/FallDwindleDisTalkAustin.pdf

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Factors not in common
– Antibiotic use
– Miticide used
– Source of queens
– Supplemental feed
...
 Factors in common
– migratory
– cumulative dead-out rate of >30%
– continuously “split” to increase numbers
– experienced “stress” 2 months before die-off
...
Tentative Hypothesis
 Common denominator is the presence of fungi,
likely Aspergillus sp. (stonebrood)
 Burnside 1930
– Caused infected adult bees to fly from hive and die
 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNISTIC FUNGUS LIKELY
ABLE TO ESTABLISH BECAUSE OF ANOTHER
CONDITION


So it it beginning to look like a case of stressed migratory bees being unable to fight off the fungi that causes stonebrood.  I would be interested to know if this fungi is always present in hives, or if the affected migratory bees were all used in the same geographic region and picked it up there.  Anyway, most of us need not worry about this.



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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2007, 07:18:04 PM »

 huh

what do you all think?

http://www.ento.psu.edu/MAAREC/pressReleases/FallDwindleUpdate0107.pdf
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2007, 08:05:00 PM »

good report, and there are some things i would do after having read it.

 i would avoid doing things that stress the hive.  if  we follow the most likely line of thought at the moment, and the culprit is opportunistic, we can reduce our chances of having take hold in our hives by not giving it an opening.

if i were to lose a hive, i would not reuse the supers/frames, or at least the foundation.  if i were to re-use the boxes and frames, i would certainly use proven methods for removing fungus and bacteria.  (understanding that these are not fool proof)

if i found a hive severely compromised, i would not combine it with another hive without knowing why the 1st was in trouble.

and most of all....keep up with the research!!!

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2007, 08:56:33 PM »

I received this report today from Jerry Hayes. It is a 21 page report on Fall Dwindle Disease. It is in pdf form.

http://www.beekeeperspbc.com/files/disease_revision.pdf

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That was a really interesting article. It appears that as in all things attention to cleanliness is important. Thanks for posting.

BTW Jerry Hayes has an article in the most recent issue of Countryside Magazine about beekeeping
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2007, 10:40:36 PM »



They are the same report.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2007, 11:02:34 AM »

 rolleyes

Opps. I never read youre report. I guess I should have huh?
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2007, 01:29:53 PM »

rolleyes

Opps. I never read youre report. I guess I should have huh?
No worries I posted a duplicate the other and I had read the article when it was orginally posted, and still spaced out enough to do a repost. D'oh

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2007, 07:43:29 AM »

I received an email today asking:

Could CELLPHONE TOWERS somehow be throwing off bee hive communication, activities, pheromone control, navigation, etc.? Some of this in my words, but the gist of it from Lpaul the email-er.

Could the primitive eyes, those little miraculous GPS's which not only tell the bees which way is up but has be suspected to sense the CURRENT SUNS LOCATION 24/7 so that even long after dark workers can communicated a nectar source relative to the current suns location.

In the last decade cellphone towers have grown exponentially and do we know what frequencies Bees work on? Could actual or heterodyne frequencies be messing with their minds, maybe creating sounds or vibrations like a dog-whistle, forcing bees from their homes? Or throwing off their flight navigation so badly they either cannot find their way home or have trouble even with orientation flights.

It is an interesting question, one which we could think of many other simple processes that disturb the traits of the honeybees. Take a creature with millions of years of evolution and subject it to a new technology, how long with it take to adapt (if ever) or would it rather abscond to the wild away from these electronic nightmares of man's creation called cell towers.

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2007, 07:54:53 AM »

I suspect if that were true that radio towers ,microwave attenanas, radars, and high tension lines would have shown that already.

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2007, 09:03:33 AM »

I think I could add that most cell towers broadcast multiple frequencies too - they triangulate and beem content overlapping areas that just a few years ago didn't have these obstructions.

No... I don't think cell towers are the cause of CCD, at least not alone they are not. Can we easily discount them after seeing images of how honeybees form comb when electromagnets are placed near the hives - I don't know.

I think Earth is changing, trying to save "Her" self from the disease of humankind, our over-populating and over-polluting the planet. The creatures on Earth cannot keep up with both man's destructive nature and Earth's necessary climatic and cyclical events geared at preserving it.

Earth is a living and YES Breathing organism which is in crisis - not for the first time, nor the last, but we are witnessing how it takes measure to CLEANSE itself of deadly parasites and infection. I'm a firm believer that MAN can destroy MAN, but I don't think we can "Permanently" destroy Earth. For now, whether global warming, or some unknown LAST DITCH EFFORT that Earth will show us, Man will find out soon enough that supporting 6.5 billion people IS NOT PART OF EARTH'S PLAN.

Frogs are dying, bees are disappearing, migrating animals are changing paths, geological areas are growing or flooding or disappearing, Earth is changing to save herself - all we can do is standby and watch, because no matter where we are on the food chain, we are nothing more than passengers here on Planet Earth.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2007, 11:16:22 AM »

I received an email today asking:

Could CELLPHONE TOWERS somehow be throwing off bee hive communication, activities, pheromone control, navigation, etc.? Some of this in my words, but the gist of it from Lpaul the email-er.

Why not?   There is on my summer cottaga area 3 miles from a 1200 feet high radio tower. Farmer joke with tower that thunder clouds attach to tower and that is why there are so much lightings.  Area is dry because tower cut rain clouds and they just devide somewhere else.


 
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2007, 03:39:34 PM »

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I think all structured, whether they produce signals or not effect the surrounding area..

Here in the States we see TIME AND TIME AGAIN tornadoes forming around and then wiping out trailer parks. It doesn't matter which state, how far inland or near the coastlines, it seems that the basic layout of the AVERAGE mobile home community (especially the older models made of more metal than composites) either attract or manifest tornado activity.

I use to thing this a coincidence, but no longer do. I know that the number of housing units in the United States Southern Regions are staggeringly proportioned into many mobile home parks or similar homes - but knowing that "Tornado Alley" stretches across many Mid-Western States from Mexico to Canada, it seems so strange that each time GROUND ZERO of tornado touch downs seem to have this theme.

If the mere arrangement of objects can Feng Shui weather activity, then surely the minute' electrical and magnetic currents used by honeybees may be effected by many man-made objects - cell towers sound as good a culprit as any. It always goes back to MAN being the evil beast that has changed the face of the planet. I doubt that all the species on Earth would miss us if we weren't around. I often wonder, how many have evolved already (or failed to) in order to live on the same planet as us?
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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2007, 08:40:38 PM »



Here in the States we see TIME AND TIME AGAIN tornadoes forming around and then wiping out trailer parks.

Oh boy! That is huge detection . - Good to know. So I am not going to bye a trailer  grin
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2007, 09:09:24 PM »

Ahh,
If we could convince everyone as you are convinced maybe we could eliminate tornadoes!
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2007, 11:45:31 PM »

Here in the States we see TIME AND TIME AGAIN tornadoes forming around and then wiping out trailer parks. It doesn't matter which state, how far inland or near the coastlines, it seems that the basic layout of the AVERAGE mobile home community (especially the older models made of more metal than composites) either attract or manifest tornado activity.

Excuse me! I have lived in Mobile homes most of my life. I am in one now that is built exactly as any house is. Wooden floor that is carpeted. 2x4 wall studs with sheet rock walls on the inside and OBS boards on the outside covered with a plastic siding. Asphalt shingles on the roof.

What about these "normal" houses that have metal siding and roofs? That is more metal than any mobile home I ever lived in.

Mobile home parks no more attract tornadoes than any place else. The twister forms some where and goes some where.  Mobile homes just get destroyed more because the wind can get under it. A regular house built the same as a mobile home would receive just as much damage. Bricks placed on the out side would help a little.

May 11, 1970. Tornado tore a wide swath through Lubbock, Texas. Very few mobile homes were hit.
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Excuse me! I have lived in Mobile homes most of my life. 


Jerry hi! Was it your first hive tried to make its home inside water pump shelter. It tried to find faradey cage around it's home.
In Florida they try to hidden inside plastic cages like into boats, compost boxes .

"Wikipedia: A Faraday cage or Faraday shield is an enclosure formed by conducting material, or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks out external static electrical fields."

These are not Langstroth size but resembles Mici's hives in Slovenia.
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But price is bad 1320 $ Abandoned car would be cheaper.

TWT like positive news "May 11, 1970. Tornado tore a wide swath through Lubbock, Texas. Very few mobile homes were hit." - Let's return to nature.

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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2007, 12:57:17 AM »

Jerry hi! Was it your first hive tried to make its home inside water pump shelter. It tried to find faradey cage around it's home

There was a swarm that moved into the box that covers the controls switches for the pump. That was a small swarm that I had to kill off to replace parts. That is when I decided to give beekeeping a try.

The box is made of plastic and only about 3/4 the size of a Langstroth deep.
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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2007, 09:21:50 AM »

It tried to find faradey cage around it's home. But price is bad 1320 $ Abandoned car would be cheaper.

The idea of the bees seeking out a Faraday cage is pretty amusing.

As far a cell phones etc. harming bee navigation. I think it's pretty doubtful. The bandwidth range of cell phones etc is much lower band radiation than light or the UV, gamma and other high-energy radiation that bombards the earth every day. I suppose it's possible that the bees depend on subtle differences in the earth's magnet field to navigate which could be disrupted by other EM fields, but it seems a stretch to me.

I would guess our problems with bees is much more mundane... like poor border controls that have allowed the introduction of nasty diseases, parasites, and invasive species. It's easy to blame mysterious, but I think our problems are a lot closer to home.

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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2007, 10:27:01 AM »

Another story on this in the New York Times:
Honeybees Vanish, Leaving Keepers in Peril

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/business/27bees.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
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« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2007, 10:48:27 AM »

That article says:

"bees are flying off in search of pollen and nectar and simply never returning to their colonies. And nobody knows why. Researchers say the bees are presumably dying in the fields, perhaps becoming exhausted or simply disoriented and eventually falling victim to the cold."

Now how do they know that is what is happening?
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« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2007, 04:39:31 PM »

That article says:

"bees are flying off in search of pollen and nectar and simply never returning to their colonies. And nobody knows why. Researchers say the bees are presumably dying in the fields, perhaps becoming exhausted or simply disoriented and eventually falling victim to the cold."

Now how do they know that is what is happening?

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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2007, 07:05:35 PM »

That article says:

"bees are flying off in search of pollen and nectar and simply never returning to their colonies. And nobody knows why.

The review article that is near the top of this post from Jerry Hayes mentioned something about a fungus that disorients the bees.

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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2007, 03:56:29 PM »

here's an article on the Op-Ed page of the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/opinion/02berenbaum.html?ex=1173502800&en=33ba4a574f52fcc0&ei=5070&emc=eta1

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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2007, 04:54:50 PM »

BEEMAN asks -

Does anyone know if the colony collapse disorder is affecting the Africanized honey bee population in the wild and in managed hives? Would be interesting to know if it is affecting them also and not just the European honey bee.
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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2007, 05:00:49 PM »

i think that for now, only big keepers have been affected, the ones that "drag" their bees on excessive pollinations and stuff. so the wild populations oughta not to be affected, neither are backyard keepers.
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« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2007, 06:29:04 PM »

BEEMAN asks -

Does anyone know if the colony collapse disorder is affecting the Africanized honey bee population in the wild and in managed hives? Would be interesting to know if it is affecting them also and not just the European honey bee.
The current research involves commerical beekeepers who migrate only.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2007, 08:40:57 PM »

I was with the dude doing the aspergillus research, in FL. (That fungus) His name is Dennis van Englesdorp, acting chief apiarist of Penn. One version of aspergillis causes "stonebrood" a common bee brood disease. His thinking is that since it's everywhere, and it's common to all the CCD sites that perhaps a mutated or previously unknown version could be a pathogen. Go slow here, because another version of aspergillis is used in the fermentation process that is used in making HFCS. The samples are still being read. I have heard of no synergy with this fungus and anything else. I imagine that I don't know any more about the cause because no one really knows yet. That didn't  stop me from writing a lengthy article on the subject for Apr ABJ. My searching did teach me that a new Nosema is on the horizon. It's Nosema Ceranae and it's killed a lot of hives in Spain and other countries. Fumidol works on it. I'm going to start using it.

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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2007, 12:38:48 AM »

The most current information on CCD, most of it being posted by Jerry Bromenshenk,
can be found here:

http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html.

Please remember that everything said to date has been preliminary and
speculative.  Bottom line, the work is not done, and there have been
many things that looked like clues, but turned out to be dead ends
and red herrings, which slowed down the work.

I fear that when spring comes, and bees start flying, the actual
losses will be found to be much more widespread and depressing
than many currently think.


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