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« on: January 26, 2007, 02:02:15 PM »

I went to several local hardware stores and some big names and know one had any, so I figure I try Hobby Lobby, that size mesh I figured the crafters use it for floral arrangements and such.  They didnt have any metal but I found a 1/8 plastic mesh looks to be used to crochet.  Anyway can I use this plastic one as my wiring for the bottom board?
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 02:27:03 PM »

I have worries about how well plastic mesh will stand up to the outside enviornment.  I couldn't find #8 hardware cloth either and went with old window screening.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 02:56:53 PM »

I dont know either way about the plastic, I would not use it myself. But then again I was able to find hardware cloth. If you have one in your area check out ACE hardware. That is the only place I could find it here in central Pa. Lowes and Home depot did not have it here.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 03:00:21 PM »

will window screen let the crud drop through?  i googled it and found some places that sell hardware cloth or mesh.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 03:04:30 PM »

Don't use it!

It is not UV tolerant and will crack and fall apart.  Stop by a local campground and I'm sure you'll find somebody that is into windcatcher (for some reason windcatchers and RVs go together huh) and has made one out of that plastic craft stuff and see for yourself.


If a local hardware store can't get it for you,   Betterbee has the best price.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 03:05:09 PM »

Hardware stores sell it. Look in the area where they sell small fencing materials for a garden for example. They have galvanized types used to keep out critters from gardens or used for rabbit cages and the like.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2007, 03:08:29 PM »

I had worried about the same thing with the window screening, kathyp.  I actually taped a sheetpan under it and, in a few days, there were wax flecks, mites, little bits of pollen and other unidentifiable little things.  It has worked just fine for me. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2007, 05:08:52 PM »

Don't use it!
It is not UV tolerant and will crack and fall apart. 

But Mr. Robo. It is under the hive. The UVs can't get to it. grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2007, 05:32:09 PM »

ACE is the place.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2007, 06:00:10 PM »

If your local hardware store doesn't stock it, they'll probably order it for you, especially if you need lots of it. There is a difference between galvanized and stainless--both in quality and in price.

ACE is known for carrying it, no matter where you are, and if they don't have something, they're usually really cool about special orders. I happened to get mine (Kathy, fyi) at Wichita Feed and Hardware on Johnson Creek Boulevard.

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2007, 06:14:42 PM »

thanks.  i must admit to laziness.  i went to ruhl and bought more SBBs already assembled.  smiley  i am putting off the barn extraction because of the cold, but figured to spread the spring expenses over a couple of months. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 07:24:49 PM »

Really good hardware have it in stock.  Fair hardware stores will order it for you.  Poor ones don't care.

You can also buy it from Betterbee, Brushy Mt and many other suppliers.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2007, 03:59:28 AM »

Unsurprisingly, your local farm-supply ("Mill-n-Feed" type) may also stock it.

Also, check with business that specialize in fence materials.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2007, 06:02:45 AM »

Just wondering,
How much uv would this plastic be exposed to undr the hive?
Just a thought! Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2007, 06:59:07 AM »

Window screen does not help with mites. You need larger hardware cloth, #8.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 12:27:38 AM »

If I couldn't find 1/8 inch cloth I would opt for 3/16 or 1/4.  Anything smaller and its like having a solid bottom board, the mites and wax won't fall through to the ground.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 10:06:02 AM »

don't feel bad , I went to Ace hardware, home depot, Lowe's, and about 5 other places and none even carried less than 1/4 inch. so I ordered a roll from Better Bee..... I don't like window screen because it doesn't let the trash fall out, it is mainly good for ventilation.. I bought #7 cloth...

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 10:50:31 AM »

Just wondering,
How much uv would this plastic be exposed to undr the hive?
Just a thought! Smiley
Sorry Jerrymac missed your same observation above!

Probably more than the inside of the tires on my trailer that have uv damage.  Especially during sunrise if it goes thru the entrance.  Don't forget,  UV reflection can be quite high too.
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In other words, if you're in a grove of trees or surrounded by tall brick walls with direct light hitting you, you're probably better off than you would be in the dense shade of a lone tree in a field.

Not sure about your hives, but mine are in open areas with lots of visable ski.

I suggest Jerry convert all his hives to it  grin
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 11:20:50 AM »

Years ago they changed the thickness and type of plastic used as vapour barrier in housing construction. They found that the one first in use eventually deteriorated cause of UV.
The one approved for below grade is now black, (UV resistant) as opposed to the clear one, for use in the walls...
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2007, 02:28:02 AM »

    I checked all the Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, ect... and couldn't find it.  Figured I would have to pay shipping and order it.  Went to a local hardware store with my wife to get some 3/" plywood and hardiboard when on a whim I asked if the carried #8 hardware cloth.  The blank look was expected until they looked and sure enough their fine screen hardware cloth was 1/8".   woo-hoo!  Saved a bunch of money and since they go through it a lot I don't have to worry about ordering.
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2007, 10:44:08 AM »

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To let you guys know I purchased the hard cloth through betterbee, so now i continue to build on!!! Thanks for the help guys
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2007, 03:38:55 PM »

UV would not be my first concern. Plastic is chewable... I am thinking mice, rats, and skunks.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2007, 05:46:37 PM »

Mice seem to be able to chew through just about anything.  I'm sure they could get through #8 hardware cloth aswell.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2007, 05:54:27 PM »

>I'm sure they could get through #8 hardware cloth aswell.

My dad had some in #8 hardware cloth cages for months and they never did.  I've never seen them chew through hardware cloth.  I've also never seen them chew through steel wool.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2007, 06:50:46 PM »

Mice seem to be able to chew through just about anything.  I'm sure they could get through #8 hardware cloth aswell.

This reminds me, back home in Europe, as a kid right after the war.  We had a secret pantry, (hiding what little food there was, from Communists!) One day my father got to cursing that one could almost see blue cloud around his head....
A mouse chewed through about 3 feet of mortar and bricks and got right in the midle of a big block of cheese.
Poor bugger must to have worn its' teeth right down to the gums! evil

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Trot, you know that many of us cannot even begin to understand what life must have been like when food was so hard to get and scarce.  I lived through hard times as a child, and I have heard many forum members speak of this in their lives too.

The stories that are told of the hard times that people have lived through make me feel ever so grateful for my cozy little life now.  I am grateful for these stories, it really puts a lot of things into some spectacular perspective.

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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2007, 09:47:57 PM »

I bought a roll of 1/8 inch hardware cloth from ace hardware for about $95. Luckily they had a 36 inch by 100 foot roll that had barely been uses. I got it for a bargin. I could have ordered a 24 inch X 100 foot roll for 130.00. Thought I got a really good deal on the partially used roll.
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2007, 06:06:25 PM »

Here locally we have a place called Marine hardware.  In there you can find what you cant find in anyother place.  I bought the last 1/8 screen Ace had and they promptly quick stocking it.  I then wne to marine harware and they have loads and are will to restock.
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