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« on: December 26, 2006, 03:16:37 AM »

You probably didnt know this, but big cats, Pumas, Cougars or Jaguars are believed to roam the Australian bush by many.

Reports have been made since the 1940s and have been steadily increasing. This increase is either due to population expansion, increased technology, increased breeding or an increase in nut cases, depending on where you stand.

Australian Government Authorites discount all sightings as large feral cats. There is widespread belief that acknowledging the existance of these animals in the Australian bush is a political issue, especially within the various State goverment environmental egancies. These department are afraid of losing face after decades of denial.

Most people believe these big cats eithe rescaped from circuses in the 1930s-1950s or were mascots released by US servicemen during the second world war.

The quality of video and photographic evidence has improved greatly in the last 20 years. Those of us who have seen the video footage are in no doubt they do exist.

Sightings have been reported by school children, policemen, farmers and everyone inbetween. Sceptics always claim the photographs are doctored. DNA testing of the black cat hanging below, was "inconclusive". It was said to be just a large feral cat.

It would seem that until a live one is presented to the zoo for identification, these big cats will remain a myth.

We have no native big carnivores here. The largest is the Dingo, the size of a domestic dog. NO native animal could leave prints like these, hang a kangaroo in a tree, strip a sheep like this, or kill a horse like this. Most sightings are in rocky areas with plenty of caves. There are dozens of other photos around the place.

It is entirely plausable that big cats did escape from circuses in the old days or were released by US servicemen and have since bred up in the bush.

I present this selection of photographs for your judgement. I would be interested in your comments.








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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2006, 07:25:13 AM »

if i'm correct you aussies have had trouble with rabits, camels...why not with cats too?instead of doubting their existance, they should be out there searching for them.
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2006, 10:16:18 AM »

I present this selection of photographs for your judgement. I would be interested in your comments.

You must remember that as we sit here looking upon those pictures. we have no way of knowing where they came from. I don't doubt your word as to where you think they came from, but you didn't take all those photos did you? So you have to depend upon someone elses word as to where those photos came from.

Having said that.... Here in the USA we have many animals found in places not native to those areas, or even to this country. There are big snakes in Florida eating the aligators. So I do not doubt there could be a wide range of big cats brought in and released down in Australia. I just don't understand why it would be such a political issue.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2006, 05:59:56 PM »

cats will take down animals from above, as it appears the horse was taken down.  we have mountain lions around and that's their favorite trick.  they even get the occasional jogger.  when you find they have attacked from the ground, it's usually in spring when they are teaching their babies to take down bigger animals.  they'll grab a shoulder or flank and dig in.  the older, smarter ones hang out in trees and come down on the neck.  there are usually plenty of distinctive claw marks to go along with the teeth marks.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2006, 09:21:38 PM »

The best bit of evidence, was a partiel dog skeleton, found in a cave, complete with rope and collar tied around its neck. The collar had the tag on it, and it was traced to an owner in Halls Gap who said it had  been tied up in the yard and vanished one night!!

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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2006, 10:13:53 PM »

Ah rats!!!  that poor old dog, hope he never saw it comin'.  Great day. Cindi
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 09:14:10 PM »

In Scotland they have Nessy the Loch Ness Monster.  In the Pacific Northwest we have the sasquatch aka Big foot of Indian lore.  In the Hemilayas there is the Yeti (often confused with Bigfoot) and many other areas of the world have their "mythical" beast.
Just because it does not "Officially" exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Keep looking and proof either way will adventually be found.  Having hunted Pumas (aka Mountain Lion, Florida Panther) I know how elusive they can be, especially when you're looking for one. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2006, 09:40:18 PM »

Brian, pardon my curiosity, do you live on the Anacortes Island?  Great day.  Cindi
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2006, 11:38:25 AM »

  Pumas, known here as mountain lions, don't normaly hang their prey in trees. They tend to cover them with leaves and trash. When climbing they tend toward sloping trees and easy access.
  There is one large cat about the same size that does hang its prey and climb more vertical trees. And it was for years a popular pet among the "Jet set".
  I would suspect the animal to be a Leopard. They are as adaptable as a raccoon, will eat almost anything like a coyote, and are very good at not being seen. Also the black tinted varieties, often refered to as Panthers, were traded all over the world for decades as pets.
 

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2006, 04:25:16 PM »

I present this selection of photographs for your judgement. I would be interested in your comments.

Having said that.... Here in the USA we have many animals found in places not native to those areas, or even to this country. There are big snakes in Florida eating the aligators.

I'm pretty sure they aren't eating the alligators, but i know they are down their.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2006, 04:59:17 PM »

I'm pretty sure they aren't eating the alligators, but i know they are down their.

Yep! Saw it on the Discovery channel..... Or was it animal planet?
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006, 01:30:42 PM »

I think it was on animal planet, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2007, 07:39:14 PM »

     Here in Northeastern Indiana, there was a picture in "THE DECATUR DAILY DEMOCRAT" a few months ago which was the same color and same shape as the black one shown on the computer screen, only "ours" had a fence in the background.

     There have been "big cat" theories here for a very long time.  Bobcats have been seen and acknowleged. 

     On another subject, not all things have been recognized in the textbooks, the legendary "hornsnake" being an example.  If you asked an oldtimer in this part of Indiana what poisonous snakes were present, they would have replied "rattlers, mocassins, and hornsnakes.  They were sufficiently believed in  that a carnival side show could make a good living by glueing a chicken spur to a filed down dime and inserting it into a slit on the head of a blacksnake.

     Dad killed one on our farm in the 1920s, and simply thought that it was the first one he had seen, and assumed that there were lots more around.  Uncle Earl who was a teacher pointed out that there was no such thing, and presented textbooks to prove it, after which Dad wished he had saved it.

     I have thought a lot about it, and concluded that it was designed to kill rodents in burrows, and a single rhinosoros type horn would have been better for extracting it's prey from a tight fitting hole than traditional fangs.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2007, 09:30:46 PM »

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html

As far as big cats in the outback, I would bet that a population of feral cats could produce some pretty large animals in a few generations under the right conditions.  Big enough to account for all the photos except the 'roo in the tree anyhow.  It the photos that show cats and prints, the scale is a bit hard to judge. (The magazine cover is obviously at least a case of forced perspective if not an outright fake.)

On the other hand, I would not be surprised to find out that a breeding pair of panthers or some other large cat could be out there.  They could roam around for years without being seen.  For the most part, Australia is relatively empty of people except along the east cost as far as I understand.  (My wife is from Brisbane)  Are the sightings/evidence relatively isolated to a particular area?
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2007, 09:57:44 PM »

We have bobcats here in PA and there are also "Big Cat theories" here.  Many hunters (including some of my relatives) claim to have seen Cougars but according to the authorities they do not exist here?Huh??
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2007, 11:00:23 PM »

Well, I don't know about the authorities.  I don't think they know it all.

I have two species of asparagus beetles that infest my asparagus patch.  According to my "insect" control books, the one that appears to be the more prevalent has not yet to be found in our southwestern part of British Columbia....well...I don't know where they got their information, but they had published it and that is bunk!!!!  So, I think that one should only believe what they see and not what they hear.  Great day.  Cindi
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2007, 04:56:40 PM »

Cindi check how old the book is and when it was last Updated.
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2007, 07:28:55 PM »

Hi Mick

My husband used to work at Avon Dam which is located in a National Park just west of Illawarra/Wollongong NSW.  There have been reported sightings from various contractors working on site over the years of a black panther roaming the bush.  It sure is a large area there with a good food sources and lots of water.  It is very interesting to hear about these sort of things.  You wonder what might really be running around out there in the places that are not as heavily populated as the coastal regions.  Take care!

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 03:31:09 AM »

Another Aussie, Hi Byrdie! Did I say hi already? I forget!
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 09:25:54 AM »

Cindi check how old the book is and when it was last Updated.

nepenthes.  I checked the date on the book. 1991.

I have lived here since 1990, planted asparagus the following year, three years before I harvested any.  When the plants became quite developed, that is when the asparagus beetles arrived.  They must be able to smell it a long ways away.

Both species were prevalent when they arrived.  So...yes, I still think the book gave wrong information about the topic.  Oh well, maybe they just did not receive any information from and gardeners from our area (LOL).

I have over the years kept this pest under control.  In the early times I used to compost the fronds at the end of the year.  BUT.  Upon further research into growing asparagus, it was learned that the foliage should be destroyed by burning when it is cut down in the fall.  This advice is because the beetles overwinter inthe composted material.  Since I have been very good about squishing as many bugs as I see, and using Bt to keep the larvae under control as well, the population of beetle has declined.  I do not have the tender little asparagus shoots being consumed by the pests anymore, they can do incredible amount of damage to the shoots before you even know it.  Great day.  Cindi
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 07:25:24 PM »

Hi Mick

Yes you already said hi!  I joined up about a month ago, I am in Cairns QLD.  I haven't been on for a while, was away over Xmas and have been busy at work.  Take care, watch out for those cats.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2007, 10:15:44 PM »

Wife Clubs Mountain Lion That Attacked Husband
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2007, 06:10:02 PM »

"residents can get special permits to shoot a lion if it is perceived as a danger to people"

You need a permit for this?  So, would the woman have been arrested if she would have shot the cat?
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2007, 07:00:18 AM »

No mystery here.  The place is lousy with mountain lions or cougars, unless of course your looking for them.  In the spring, it is not unusual for someone in West Valley to find one in their garage overnight.  We were looking at a home on the outskirts of Price, Utah, and were stuck inside when one decided to park his tail in the shade on the porch.  Another time we arrived at a freinds house under construction in Pine Meadows.  We were stuck in the truck for almost an hour waiting for the big cat to leave the unfinished basement.  It's usually the young ones out on their own that get in bad places.
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2007, 12:48:27 PM »

So in Australia, can you shoot something that doesn't exist?  Might make a nice coat or rug!

Here in Michigan we've had proof that wolverines are around or occasionally visit at the least, even thought it is widely denied.

Those pictures might just be of a big feral housecat.  That is what a lot of the sightings around here in the states are called too. Smiley  A really really big feral housecat.  Really big and really hungry.

Sounds likely to me if all of the pictures were taken as claimed.

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2007, 04:03:07 AM »

There was a great story on the TV a couple of weeks ago, with the best video footage to date.

Amazing shots and believe me, they aint no bleep cats.

3 different states. Thousands of miles apart.

I have come to the firm belief that these were released by Yamk soldiers in WW2, most likely in Queensland.

Recent digusting land clearing has forced them down the great dividing range, south to other states.

Its only a matter of time, months perhaps until someone has one of these captured.
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2007, 10:07:58 AM »

Mick, I was wondering where you have been. Think about you alot, glad to see that you have posted.  Best of this day, great health.  Cindi
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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2007, 03:27:42 AM »

Dammit you cant say p u s s y on here!!!!!!!! rofl!!
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2007, 09:16:16 AM »

Mick, well isn't that just the darndest thing?  Thank heavens this forum isn't about cats!!!  Have a wonderful day, great life, good health.  Cindi
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2007, 05:03:44 AM »

Hi kathy and the rest of yaz!

OK time to get serious.

Here are some video links of what our Government Authorities call "Feral Domestic Cats"

Lithgow Panther NSW



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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2007, 09:24:02 AM »

Mick, thanks for the links.  I do not like any kind of cat, be it kitty cat, mountain lion, and so on and so on.  They scare the beegeesus out of me, I don't like bears either, they scare me just as badly.  I like bees  rolleyes  Have a wonderful day, great life, great health.  Cindi

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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2007, 06:20:14 AM »

I do not like any kind of cat, be it kitty cat, mountain lion, and so on and so on. 

Where does that leave me?
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I do not like any kind of cat, be it kitty cat, mountain lion, and so on and so on. 

Where does that leave me?

Jerry, come on!!!  You have to define what species you are first, then I can tell you where you will be left evil  Have a wonderful day, great life.  Cindi
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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2007, 08:32:19 AM »

Jerry, oh brother, guess I should have read between the lines.  Yes, I love your avitar, that is a gorgeous critter for surely.  Have a wonderful day, great life and health.  Cindi
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2007, 03:27:38 AM »

Another reported sighting in my State this week. A couple driving came across one of these big cats and watched it scramble up the roadside into the bush.

These sightings are being made closer to towns as time goes on. I reckon its because of the drought and lack of food.

trust me, its only a matter of time before we get one of these critters.
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2007, 12:10:09 AM »

Here in Washington state the voters decided to pass an inititive that made it against the law to hunt mountain lions, bobcats, or bears with hounds.  (I use to do that in my younger days)  All the hounds dog owners told everybody that the cities would soon be over run by mountain lions, babcats, & bears--The public laughed and PETA & Paws won at the polls.

10 years later people are finding said 3 animals snatching their pets right out of their yards and often eating right infront of the pet owner, the bears have replaced racoons at dumpster diving, and people walking in parks are getting attacked by rouge bears & cats.   It's funny but the public still laughs when the hunters say, "I told you so."
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No use for the said 3 in the county areas.  They should be up the mountains, or not at all.  I know of a few people around here that have had their small dogs (and maybe some big ones too) and cats eaten up, almost, like you said Brian, right before their very eyes.  It is in our local newspapers often.....the monsters from the woods that eat up all the city folks' prides and joys.  It is a shame.  I am sure it has so much to do also with all the wildlife's domain that is being taken away from them.  The growth and development of human habitat in our area is sad.  I thank goodness for now, we live in the ALR and they cannot subdivide our area.  But....I don't doubt that there will be a day comin' soon that we will have highrises to the east, west, north and south.  That will be a sad day.  Have a beautiful and wonderful day.  Cindi
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2007, 03:05:59 PM »

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We have no special creatures in our forests




And here is the driver



Sometimes he puts mask on and go to look folks



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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2007, 09:35:02 AM »

Finksy, you do post some very interesting pictures, I like the monster in the forest with four legs.  Have a wonderful and greatest of days. Cindi
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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2008, 12:42:02 PM »

the gov. does have a way of denying things that dont fit "their" definition of how things aught to be,  i know a couple of cowboys here in my area (i've been in colorado 2 years now) who were told that the are no grizzly bears here,  then the rangers tried to fine them heavily when they roped it and ear tagged it.  also a friend over on the utah border was told there are no wolves in the area,  again he hung 6 on the fence after they devistated his sheep,  and the wildlife officials who told him " they aint none around here" tried to cause trouble.  many times throughout history the people who live in an area are told by the "scientists" that they're imagining things only to one day wake up and read about the great find in the national news papers.  gotta wonder
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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2008, 11:22:46 PM »

the gov. does have a way of denying things that dont fit "their" definition of how things aught to be,  i know a couple of cowboys here in my area (i've been in colorado 2 years now) who were told that the are no grizzly bears here,  then the rangers tried to fine them heavily when they roped it and ear tagged it.  also a friend over on the utah border was told there are no wolves in the area,  again he hung 6 on the fence after they devistated his sheep,  and the wildlife officials who told him " they aint none around here" tried to cause trouble.  many times throughout history the people who live in an area are told by the "scientists" that they're imagining things only to one day wake up and read about the great find in the national news papers.  gotta wonder

Still, where does that put UFO's and Bigfoot?
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2008, 04:42:58 PM »

if you remember Gorillas were considered a hoax until the 1830's by "modern" science.  usually until someone from academia says its so it ain't so
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2008, 07:00:14 PM »

I'm pretty sure they aren't eating the alligators, but i know they are down their.

Yep! Saw it on the Discovery channel..... Or was it animal planet?


Gotta remember that Alligators are from 1 to 14 feet long.  So sure a Python, Boa, or even the lowly Cotton Mouth could and do find some in their size. Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2008, 07:06:05 PM »

they (scientific community ) didn't believe Gorillas existed until the 1830's even though they had insurmountable proof to the contrary it took some academic geek to go down and see them to prove gorillas existed. remember people don't like to admit something until an "expert" agrees with them

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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2008, 03:19:51 AM »

We had a good story during the week on the TV. No decent footage really, but lots of paw prints and eye witnesses, as credible as anyone. They all said they were looking at a puma, huge thing. Its getting closer to houses. Bolder and more arrogant. There is a breeding colony of these I am convinced. I think it could be a mix of old circus animals thet were known to have escaped in the 30s and the mascots known to have been released by the US forces in the 40s.

You can tell these people are telling the truth.

The Government dept. in charge in  NSW now says THEY are out there. A backflip if ever I heard one.
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