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Offline 2-Wheeler

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Crowds at the entrance reducer?
« on: October 15, 2006, 08:08:12 PM »
Last week we placed the mouse-guard/entrance reducer on the hive, since we've had several frosts and the weather has been cooling off.  But nice weather today, in the middle 70s got them out foraging again. Now there seems to be a bit of a traffic jam at the entrance.


I'm just wondering if this is normal, or if we put the reducer on too soon?

(This is the type of reducer we installed: https://www.dadant.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=212
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2006, 08:40:24 PM »
I have bees in L A but I also had bees in Salt lake city winters are cold there also .I'm sure as the season progresses and gets cooler you will have less congestion I'm sure you are fine
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2006, 10:25:09 PM »
The way that picture looks....
 
Two cars parked on top of a hive to keep the cover on.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2006, 02:23:49 AM »
The bees keep those cars for off roading in their spare time.  I believe that call that an upper level garage.  LOL
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2006, 10:47:02 PM »
I belive it will be OK.I hope so anyway, because mine is the same way.One question though.Are you feeding?

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2006, 07:39:29 AM »
You're three feet off the ground.  You don't need mousegaurds.  You need stilts.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 11:48:18 PM »
Quote from: bee whisper
One question though.Are you feeding?


No. The bees seemed to have a surplus of honey stores. More details are on the blog, with pictures: http://beesandblooms.blogspot.com/

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You're three feet off the ground. You don't need mousegaurds. You need stilts.


Yes it seems like we need a ladder when we have two or three supers on top of that stack. I think someone teases me everytime I show a picture. But you should see how high the mice can jump and how they skinny up a pole if motivated. I just didn't want to take any chances.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 09:39:09 PM »
> But you should see how high the mice can jump and how they skinny up a pole if motivated. I just didn't want to take any chances.

Here's mine and I never get mice:

http://www.bushfarms.com/images/EightTenEightHives.jpg
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 11:42:32 PM »
MB,

Is that a stack of nucs on the left? Also, the dark circles - I assume they are holes...are they screened? They appear to be about 2 inches in diameter?

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 09:55:09 PM »
>Is that a stack of nucs on the left?

Yes.

>Also, the dark circles - I assume they are holes...are they screened?

No.

> They appear to be about 2 inches in diameter?

No.  The are about 1" in diameter.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2006, 12:04:50 AM »
Every time I put on something at the entrance - robber screen, entrance reducer - it takes the bees a while to adjust to the fact that it's less easy to get into the hive - They always bunch up around whatever entrance there is for several days until they get used to it and then all goes back to normal.  

After all, with no entrance reduction, they can come and go at any point in the front of the hive.  Suddenly all of them have to come in a one inch door - humans queue up with small entrances as well!  At the huge Phillips Arena, we see masses of people crowding as they approach the one entry gate where only one person at a time can go into the Arena.

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2006, 09:57:03 AM »
When using entrance reduces, especially at the smallest setting, it is important to recognize the it is designed to prohibit unlimited access and prevent incursions of mice etc.  When the weather gets warm enough for the bees to do a little house cleaning there will always be a traffic jam at the reduced entrance.  The trade of is better hive security over all.  It's not always possible to adjust the entrance size with each change of weather.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2006, 10:41:39 AM »
Traffic jam in entrance in autumn, I do not believe it.

Mostly there is a gang or a reception for robbers.  

Hive may be too hot in the middle of day but not at night.

When hive has finger tip size upper entrance, huge amount of bees go through without jam. Lower entrance is 10 times bigger and it has jam. So it must be something else.

During  some time of day home bees come out to clean themselves and it seems jam mut it lasts about half a hour.

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2006, 10:54:01 AM »
Why don't you give them a top entrance?

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2006, 12:25:50 AM »
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Why don't you give them a top entrance?

I have installed a top-entrance, but so far I've only seen a few using it on warm days.  We also had our first big snow and the lower entrance was burried for about a day and a half.

Thanks for all the guidance.  I think it was either:
A: They were still getting used to the new entrance or
B: They were just out for some fresh air.

The picture was taken in early evening on a warm day just after installing it. This was the time of day that they normally come rushing back home. I haven't seen any such traffic jams since, just a more orderly process.
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2006, 07:14:40 PM »
Of interest in using top entrances:  the bees prefer it and will switch very rapidly during high activity.  Going to a top entrance opens the lower entrance as a backdoor, and often unguarded, entrance for mice, SHB, Wax Moths, etc.  The lower entrance if left open can cause excessive ventilation during winter which can result in chilled bees.
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