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Author Topic: Cedar chips in the smoker for varroa control?  (Read 4952 times)
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« on: July 19, 2006, 09:40:33 AM »

Last night at the bee meeting, there was talk of using cedar chips in the smoker to cause varroa to fall off of bees.  Does anyone have any experience with this or know where the research came from?
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2006, 11:10:09 AM »

There is no need disturb bees all the time for varroa. When you handle mites in autumn or winter, other time mites may be in peace.

There is no smoke which help against varroa. Mites are under brood cappings now.  If you get some it helps nothing.

You have winter and good brake in brood. It is easy to destroy mites with oxalic acid when bees have emerged.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2006, 11:30:54 AM »

While smokes may not help for controll of varroa mites.  If you have a screened bottom board with the sticky board, it may help determine the number of mites out of brood cells.  One ounce of tobacco smoke supposedly has the same effect but, I can't buy tobacco as a minor.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2006, 01:00:27 PM »

I give oxalic acid without counting. I can see level of mites from drone cells.  Honey gets quite an aroma when you give all kind of smokes to hive.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2006, 04:36:32 PM »

If you try it, please let us know how it works. If nothing else, it should smell better!
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2006, 07:05:22 PM »

9 times out of 10 I don't even use smoke, but in my experience, a combination of small cell and SBBs drastically reduces the amount of mites.   shocked
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2006, 10:22:15 PM »

I do not use smoke either.  I don't even get fliers from my italian hive, they don't care about me at all.  My buckies can get pretty indignant if I slip up at all...
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2006, 10:23:29 PM »

ctsoth, how big are your hives?
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2006, 11:58:45 PM »

when using cedar, pine, or fir be aware that they are high in pitch (tar) content and over use will turn your smoker into something that resembles a roofers hot mop tar pot.  Woods with high pitch contents can build up tar on the inside of the smoker and then one day it explodes into a blow torch.

Tobacco is also high in tars with the same result to your smoker.  

As Finsky states there is no known ingrediant that will cure Varroa mites applied through a smoker.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2006, 12:49:28 AM »

When you use smoker, tar attaches on the surface of combs. The taste of smoke is easy to distinguish in the honey of cappings.

When I dimished my smoker using the aroma of honey become much more better.

In old days bees (german black) bees were furious and you must smoke them for your life. Modern bee does not need much smoke. Smoker is not a toy which you use for fun. Smoke disturbs hive's working very badly.

Smoker is self defence tool for beekeeper. It is not "healthy apparatus" for bees.

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2006, 01:44:36 AM »

Italian [the hive with little to no fliers during inspection] is three medium hive bodies with currently 1 super, going to be 2 supers tomorrow.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2006, 12:21:01 PM »

Wow!  Those bees must be down right lazy.  I open a nuc and I get fliers.  There are usually 2 or 3 headbutting me while I'm working a hive and a couple hundred hovering in the air.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2006, 01:15:06 PM »

I wonder if you used cedar wood to make your hive bodies, etc.. would that help repel wax moths?
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2006, 01:22:13 PM »

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I wonder if you used cedar wood to make your hive bodies, etc.. would that help repel wax moths?


Nice question.  I hope this gets a response.  My bet is "no".
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2006, 02:19:54 PM »

My answer is probably. Cedar is an excellent insect repellent. It's poisonous and the poison is volatile, so it probably should not be used in a hive. It's also a genuine bear to work, so keep that in mind. Also spanish cedar is different from pencil cedar which is different yet agian from white cedar. Then there's also cedar of lebanon if we want to get biblically hived.

Short answer: It will repel the moths but probably the bees as well.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2006, 03:59:52 PM »

>>kensfarm wrote: I wonder if you used cedar wood to make your hive bodies, etc.. would that help repel wax moths?
 
The answer, from my experience, is definately.  I use cedar when ever I can find a few pieces large enough--I had my stairs rebuild and every step was 5/4 cedar.  Enough to make one complete hive.
One of my old mentors, Clayton Turnipseed (1890-1969), who manufactered bee equipment in his later years always stated that Cedar was the only wood worthy of the little critters.  He even made his frames from Cedar.  I never had wax moths moths in any of the equipment I bought from him.
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2006, 04:05:42 PM »

I'm glad to hear that bees don't have ill effects from cedar. Smiley

It's still a true bear to tool though.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2006, 04:13:48 PM »

Excellent!
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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2006, 04:47:38 PM »

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What about human when he eats cedar contaminated honey? Lets hope that it saves good people and affects in bad people.

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2006, 10:56:06 PM »

The italian hive was started from a package in mid may, I live in central minnesota.  They are doing excellent in my opinion.
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