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Author Topic: NON SMOKING in NEW JERSEY - FIANLLY.  (Read 1825 times)
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« on: April 28, 2006, 10:47:13 PM »

My State (NEW JERSEY) just began a NO SMOKING in PUBLIC SPACES (restaurants, bars, anywhere inside - except the GAMING FLOOR in ATLANTIC CITY - this is wrong too! If people wish to gamble, they can go outside to smoke. I can see this as a loss of income IF the Casinos weren't allowed to smoke, but why is OKAY to subject non-smokers to carcinogens and the stink of cigarettes in exchange for the "Privilege" of gambling - it is NOT.

New York City has seen a robust increase of eatery patronage BECAUSE people can now go into restaurants WHICH PREVIOUS were so small and intolerable because of the smoke filled atmosphere, only smokers were going to these places before. NOW, everyone can go and enjoy the great foods of NYC.

I think that DESIGNATED SMOKING AREAS (DSAs as the Federal Gov calls them) should be protected from the weather and separate from the establishments, but protecting the smokers from bad weather isn't always possible (especially in NYC where every inch is precious space) obviously, minimal DSAs are set up there, but in the suburbs, urban and country you have much greater flexibility to accommodate your clientele.

I look forward to visiting eateries (I'm not a bar kinda guy) but to sit down and enjoy dinner WITHOUT some idiot lighting up as I take my first bite will be a pleasure. If you are SOOOOOO addicted to smoking that you cannot survive a meal without one, you have greater issues than just smoking. You are an addict, killing him/herself and you are trying to take the rest of us with you.

I know I got off topic, but I don't feel like making a new post - lol. I honestly believe though that all business will PROFIT from being smoke free. A waiter/waitress should NOT be subjected to the UNFILTERED END of a cigarette just to get stiffed on the tip because YOU need to spend $5.50 a pack for your smokes. At least now IF YOU STIFF HIM/HER for the tip, you won't drive a nail in their coffins doing it!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2006, 11:43:43 PM »

I smoked my last cigarette January 6th this year. Yep... I quit.

I have the reverse view of this issue than you do. The owner of the business should have the right to allow smoking or no smoking. Any one not wanting to breath the smoke can stay away from the places that allow smoking.

I still believe this is a free country. Or it should be.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2006, 12:52:11 AM »

I have to agree with Jerrymac.  I have never smoked cigarettes, but occasionally will treat myself to an Arturo Fuente, or a Monte Cristo if I can get hold of one.  The owner of the establishment should be able to set up the atmosphere he wants or enjoys.  If people don't like it, they don't have to go there.  I personally find crying, loud and unruly kids more offensive than smokers.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2006, 01:09:46 AM »

There are smoker lounges, cigar clubs and bars - all still have the right to smoke BECAUSE they now fall under clubs.

Laws supersede freedom, they are by their very nature EXEMPTIONS to freedom. At the very least, they are stumbling blocks, but I personally don't mind a SEPARATE SMOKERS ENVIROMENT - but not attached to a non-smoking building - not in ANY Manner.

Quick Example, we went to Charlie Browns Steak House - in the non-smoking section it wreaked from smoke due to clogged filters, the bar was too close and it was a distracting meal - even the salad bar (second best to Ruby Tuesdays) was polluted by the stink of smoke. I would have never returned there, but maybe now that the rules have changed, we might go back.

Just don't argue the health issues - any tobacco lobbyist BS just don't cut it any more.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2006, 01:36:32 AM »

I would never challenge your position on a health basis.  Having recently discovered that the rules have been changed and I will not live forever, I have made a few changes in the choices I make.  The doctor put it best, when I said there doesn't seem to be much point in doing all THAT STUFF!   He said " I guess you can live a short happy life, or a long miserable one.... it's your choice!"  I'm trying to find some middle ground.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2006, 09:41:20 PM »

I can't wait until they make the hot air that politicans spew forth a health hazard.

And I also think crying kids should be against the law also.

Has anyone noticed you have to get a license to have a dog but anyone can have a kid?

I love it when I am in the Atlanta airport and you go by the smoke roooms in the airport and how the walls are stained and nasty. That is enough to make sure I don't smoke.

Well that is not true. I smoke meat,fish and oh yeah bees. Despite those health hazards.


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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2006, 11:28:36 PM »

There is a seafood restaurant a couple of miles from me that makes an excellent shrimp poboy. The problem is there is a bar adjacent to the dining area, same room. I only do pick up orders there.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2006, 11:35:18 PM »

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I agree here, but I'm not so kind in the National Anthem Post. Kids (babies and screaming toddlers should be at home with a baby-sitter, not at the mall, not in the movie theaters, not at restaurants (unless it says FAMILY in 40 foot letters on the front of the building). Surely there could be a sound proof daycare section on planes too - lol.

I will finish here though by saying I can tolerate the screams of children when the parent (whether citizens, immigrants, or illegal immigrants) ATTEMPT to quiet them in ENGLISH no matter how butchered the English is - is shows me 2 things: 1) they are learning the language (which I know is a very tough language to learn) and 2) their children are learning it too! I hope the child is BI-LINGUAL that is ideal, I don't expect anyone to lose their heritage and traditions, I just hope they attempt to embrace their new cultural submergence as much as they do their native. It has worked since the founding days of our country, why is it okay today to accept separatism of cultures.
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