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Author Topic: Best time to graft, am or pm  (Read 466 times)
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« on: July 24, 2014, 11:02:55 PM »

I have a small operation and plan on expanding it next spring, so I am learning to graft. My question is are the grafts more successful if done in the morning or in the evening?
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2014, 11:06:45 PM »

I dont think it matters. Warmer is better. Less chance of the larvae getting chilled if its 100 degrees out and HUMID.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2014, 11:51:26 AM »

I dont think it matters. Warmer is better. Less chance of the larvae getting chilled if its 100 degrees out and HUMID.

Then you would think it would work real well here in N FL.   Smiley
 11:45 AM: 90.1 degrees, 65%, heat index 103. Sad 

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2014, 09:43:26 PM »

When it's not too hot or too windy...

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 02:30:50 PM »

wait.. we talking about for the larvae or the person grafting?   grin
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2014, 07:16:07 PM »

Yes
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2014, 12:49:12 AM »

My question to you experts out there is, morning or evening grafts result in more queens?
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 07:21:51 AM »

My question to you experts out there is, morning or evening grafts result in more queens?
What we are saying is that the time of day not a factor except how it affects you and how good of a job you do and control the grafting conditions. Moisture is very important as well as technique and selecting the right age of the larvae.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 08:56:39 AM »

Thanks, I appreciate the help very much. Due to my day job I can only graft of an evening. I was worried that this may hinder my results. I need the graft on Thursday so I can make up nucs on Saturday and put cells in on Sunday.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2014, 11:14:42 AM »

>My question to you experts out there is, morning or evening grafts result in more queens?

All things being equal (temperatures, wind etc.) it will make no difference, but if it's 80 F at 10 am and 100 F at 2 pm, the 10 am ones will probably do better.  If the wind was howling at 10 am and calm at 2 pm the 2 pm ones may do better.  Wind will quickly dry out larvae.  Heat can kill larvae if they get over 93 F.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2014, 11:51:15 PM »

I keep a wet towel over the cell bars.
The other frames and foundation with brood I keep in the incubator at 72% humidity.
I wet graft and as soon as I have a larva grafted to a cell I cover it with the damp towel.
As soon as I get a cell bar completed I quickly put the cell bar in a starter hive.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2014, 07:07:10 PM »

I am getting very frustrated trying to graft. I have attempted three graphs non-of which have been successful. I have 15 cell cups on the starter frame. I have watched videos and read everything available. Any help would be appreciated greatly. I created a cell builder colony using a nuc and putting fresh brood in it weekly. I read where if you put a frame of eggs and larva in the nuc a day before you graft the bees will more readily accept the cells.  huh
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 09:29:43 PM »

The number one secret to getting cells started is a cell starter that is overflowing with bees.  That means you either shake them into a confined swarm box or you compress a hive.  To compress a hive you remove all the supers, then remove any empty comb and if that doesn't push them to where there is not enough room for all the bees, then remove another box, shaking all the bees back into the hive and giving that box to another strong hive.  Queenless is the next best thing.  A crowded queenless hive works well.  The other issue is a flow.  Queen rearing always works best in a flow...
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