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I am not a birther BUT!
« on: March 02, 2014, 12:02:08 AM »
Have you seen his birth certificate?

the editing of a STATE document IS A FELONY in any state. Why has no one gone to jail?

posting a falsified document on a Federal web site is also a FELONY. Why has no one gone to  jail?

down load his BC from the White House web site.  then open it in any of the five programs adobe reader, adobe illustrator, ink scape, and more.

look it over looks OK don't it? now open it at 400percent  line by line box by box is clearly been doctored including the doc number.

why has no one gone to jail for this?
 

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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 12:05:39 AM »
i think there are a lot of unanswered questions about a lot of things, but at this point, it doesn't matter.  to late to do much about it.  that said, there are plenty of things going on right now to sink the dems for the foreseeable future....if we are smart about it.  we have been known to blow a sure thing  :-)
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 02:18:52 AM »
I think the qualifications for POTUS should be amended.

No record should be sealed. All public history should be disclosed and scrutinized to insure ALL other qualifications are met.
Quite difficult matters can be explained even to a slow-witted man, if only he has not already adopted a wrong opinion about them; but the simplest things cannot be made clear even to a very intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he already knows, and knows indubitably, the truth of the matter under consideration. -Leo Tolstoy

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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 06:24:04 AM »
Let me guess………"who" should we send to jail?   :laugh:   I came to this conclusion years ago……….none of 'this' matters.  Even 'if' proof existed to establish what the 'birthers' believe it wouldn't change the direction our Country or our World is headed.  Not one bit.

These silly arguments are purposely 'designed' as a diversion and/or distraction and serve only as a 'propped up division' of the people, much like other petty disagreements, arguments and alleged debates today….so much dribble….so little content or substance.  

IMO; It is meaningless -  yet it means plenty to everyone (does that define a quagmire?). What's clearly a shame and frustrating to those of us 'trying' to pay attention is how so many people continue to fall for it, and thereby fail as citizens  :(


 :laugh: :laugh:  Not a 'birther' ?-  my eye  :roll:  



We all must decide;  Are we going to do our part to 'increase or decrease' the fog of commentary…………?
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 10:42:31 AM »
I think the qualifications for POTUS should be amended.

No record should be sealed. All public history should be disclosed and scrutinized to insure ALL other qualifications are met.

I agree!  NO MORE SECRETS!

Perhaps we could start with a more 'factual' telling of our own American History (?)...(sealed historical records, of which there are VOLUMES, are for protecting the historically guilty  :shock: )…

…that reality should not be surprising).
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 10:46:49 AM »
Tbeek, did you even read your own post?

You have stated, IF.. a group picked an unqualified person, lied to the media and all citizens, even forged government documents, to get that person elected to the highest position in the world, ""none of 'this' matters""

I have seen some really wild posts from you, but I never thought I would see this.

It is totally "outer space" thoughts like this from the left that keeps those of us on the right looking for the truth.

YES, looking, I don't think we have found 1/2 of it yet.
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 02:10:27 PM »
Tbeek, did you even read your own post?

You have stated, IF.. a group picked an unqualified person, lied to the media and all citizens, even forged government documents, to get that person elected to the highest position in the world, ""none of 'this' matters""

I have seen some really wild posts from you, but I never thought I would see this.

It is totally "outer space" thoughts like this from the left that keeps those of us on the right looking for the truth.

YES, looking, I don't think we have found 1/2 of it yet.

Sorry iddee but I think you missed my point (s), not the first time brother.  

'One' is that 'lying' (whether one is describing forged documents or simply telling tall tales) among our 'elected' is common place and shouldn't be surprising to anyone (no party is exempted).  

'Two' is that with our currently 'divided and confused' society rendered 'helpless' to do anything about it, none of it really matters.  Not while "WE THE PEOPLE" are still asleep.  (I'm still waiting for the 'if' you speak of to be a lot more convincing TBH, so far most of the evidence has been laughable…. :laugh:), particularly when compared with more pressing issues.

Please let me suggest that when responding to my comments, that you consider trying harder not to fabricate false presumptions that were never there and were certainly never intended  :-D.

There are MANY more "important questions" out there that are simply being suppressed, ignored or - DIVERTED by 'this' kind of non-issue, perhaps I'll present a few in the future for everyone to ponder - or ignore  ;).  Do you really think its an accident that the important questions aren't even heard, much less discussed?

"IF" this issue matters so much……what are 'you' doing about it?
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 02:45:29 PM »
"one" Does that make it right? You seem to think so. Whether intended or not, the point you made was nothing but the most stressing problems matter. That important one makes all the lesser ones OK.

"TWO"  Maybe if all the problems were brought to the forefront, rather than just the one most important one, it just might wake up the populace. As long as the divided and confused have one side of the divided excusing all lesser problems and saying they are OK and don't matter, the populace as a whole will never wake up.

I did not fabricate anything, and whether intended or not, they were clearly there.

What am I doing about it? Using the internet to try to wake up people who think lies, forgeries, et al. are OK as long as there's something worse in the mix.
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 05:21:56 PM »
See my Brother; This is the problem with assumptions and preconceived notions  :)….….Of course its not right, never said it was.  That's 'your' assumption again, and nothing close to my stated position on these trivial matters.  Your own words show this position conclusively.  Get your facts straight, man  ;).

What I am saying is this; There's MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO QUESTION AND DISCUSS than this one.  These types of issues serve what purpose?  Can you guess?

Bringing our problems and important issues to the forefront (when has that ever happened?) has gotten more than a few of us hung from a bridge or tree, shot down and/or jailed, figuratively and literally (ask me how I know).  

My own experience upon 'bringing' imperative information and possible solutions to our problems 'to the forefront' of this very forum has evidenced that reality time and time again. :deadhorse:

Waking people up?  Well good…we have something else in common  ;)……..while we differ on many specific points, I believe we are more alike than you care to admit IMO.  

(My views when objectively examined can be labeled anything but left….or right  ;)), Is it true, you still haven;t bothered to check out the links I've provided, heh?  No wonder there's all this confusion  :laugh: :laugh:

BTW; in case you missed it the numerous times I've posted it over the years (to busy assuming?  ;))……I'm not a supporter of our current Administration or Congress…either side (they all serve the same Masters I work to unseat) so please stop trying to place me and the meanings behind my words in that direction……………You know, its hardly my fault you are so lost…. ;)

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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2014, 06:31:55 PM »
Then please do me a favor and learn to write what you think. You write so clearly, then claim that's not what you said at all.

And stealing the highest position in the world with lies, deceit, and forgery is no where near trivial.
If it didn't happen, we may have a lot fewer of the problems you deem so important. Remove the tree and you no longer have to worry about it's fruit. As far as one side or the other, I have always said I chose the better of two evils

Yes, our desired results are many times the same, but the road there is far different.
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2014, 08:09:01 PM »
 :idunno: :imsorry: I'm sorry iddee, truly I am -  my intent is never to offend….but its not my fault you lack the will or comprehension to 'grok' the messages I'm trying to convey or continue to ignore the content of the links provided/presented or proposed (again, NOT my fault) - or - that just maybe…...you simply misread/misinterpreted what's been said in your hurry to confront me.  What do ya think?  Either way, its beyond silly IMO.

You're blowing my mind , man  8-) :-D

Perhaps, instead of jumping to conclusions or passing judgement you might ask for an explanation when you don't get something ….perhaps?  Maybe?…………….This point has already been redundantly sated for at least the 4 years now…….. :deadhorse:  Its way past old……..

Enough already with all these tit for tat (going nowhere/pointless/divisive) games……………Like I said, we're more alike than I believe you know   :-D  Spring can't come soon enough….. :)
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2014, 09:28:10 PM »
Aw, don't worry, Hillary will work it all out after she becomes the next Pres.


 

And no I won't be voting for her, there will be someone else running I'm sure.




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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2014, 09:58:47 PM »
Tbeek will say... The sun is shining. I will think it is daytime. Tbeek will say no, it's shining on the other side of the world. You misinterpret everything I say, Iddee.

Yep, dis ol' redneck jist too dum to keep up wid th' brains here. Gessin' ah better go bac to th' hollor and catch 'possums fer a livin'. 

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You won't offend me, Tbeek. I laugh at your far-out silliness and anticipate the next round. It's fun.  :evil:   :-D
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Re: I am not a birther BUT!
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2014, 05:26:42 AM »
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Tbeek will say... The sun is shining. I will think it is daytime. Tbeek will say no, it's shining on the other side of the world. You misinterpret everything I say, Iddee.

You nailed it.
I'm not trying to criticize either of you but I believe most of your differences are the result of perspectives.

Quite difficult matters can be explained even to a slow-witted man, if only he has not already adopted a wrong opinion about them; but the simplest things cannot be made clear even to a very intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he already knows, and knows indubitably, the truth of the matter under consideration. -Leo Tolstoy

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2014, 07:50:11 AM »
Yep - because;

 "the truth depends on where you stand"   BUT -

"if you stand for nothing (see above for my point) you'll fall for anything"  :-D……And that my friends, IMO; plays right into the hands of our slave masters……. :(

Hey, its no skin off me……While it can be terribly frustrating when conveying a 'personal' truth that's then completely misinterpreted….and then wrongfully attacked due to the misunderstanding, one can only try to simply accept being misunderstood……. after a lifetime of it  :laugh:   Admittedly, I'm not always successful  :embarrassed:


Iddee my brother; I'm confused, are you accusing me of not being clear enough - or is it too clear?  I'm uncertain  :-\  (see what I mean?)  Well regardless; No one can say I haven't tried to explain some things that definitely need some explaining……. :deadhorse:  to little avail or reason……so it goes with human folly intent on its own destruction  8-)

TBH; I sincerely believe eye to eye contact is still the only way to establish and convey the intent or meaning of another person, particularly emotional intent…….anything else is just assumptions  :) and which too often comes across as mean-spirited over the internet…...…just my opinion ;)

Sorry to be so long….I know how it upsets some out there.

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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2014, 08:03:16 AM »
Clear enough, not too clear.

It's like precise, vs accurate.

A gun that is precise will hit the same spot every time. A gun that is accurate hits where you want it every time.
 

Your postings are very clear and precise. Just not hitting where you want them to hit. We understand exactly what you say, but you fail to say what you later claim to mean.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2014, 10:03:30 AM »
Yep - because;

 "the truth depends on where you stand"  BUT

"if you stand for nothing (see above for my point) you'll fall for anything"  :-D……And that my friends, IMO; plays right into the hands of our slave masters……. :(

Hey, its no skin off me……While it can be terribly frustrating when conveying a 'personal' truth that's then completely misinterpreted….and then wrongfully attacked due to the misunderstanding, one can only try to simply accept being misunderstood……. after a lifetime of it  :laugh:   Admittedly, I'm not always successful  :embarrassed:


Iddee my brother; I'm confused, are you accusing me of not being clear enough - or is it too clear?  I'm uncertain  :-\  (see what I mean?)  Well regardless; No one can say I haven't tried to explain some things that definitely need some explaining……. :deadhorse:  to little avail or reason……so it goes with human folly intent on its own destruction  8-)

TBH; I sincerely believe eye to eye contact is still the only way to establish and convey the intent or meaning of another person, particularly emotional intent…….anything else is just assumptions  :) and which too often comes across as mean-spirited over the internet…...…just my opinion ;)

Sorry to be so long….I know how it upsets some out there.

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2014, 10:18:18 AM »
Now you got me on that one, jim. What th' heck does that mean?
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2014, 10:19:11 AM »
Oh boy, here it comes  ;)……care to share some examples iddee……..?  (reference a reply # maybe?…..PLEASSSSSSEEeeeee)  :-D

This isn't the first time you've accused me of saying things I don't believe  :?  …..What would the point of that be?    :idunno:  Do you?

From my 'personal' perspective (what other is there?).  From where I stand; I'm much more inclined to believe that its your initial 'knee-jerk' misinterpretation of my comments instead.  No?  Yes?  Maybe?   C'mon…tell the truth….. :)

You pick iddee, since you -  or is it 'we' (your word, speaking for everyone now) 'understand exactly' what I say  8-) and also passively proclaim my 'failure to say what I later claim to mean"   :laugh:  What does 'that' even mean?  Could you be possibly more precise or accurate please…….. :-D

Is that what you mean by accurate v precise?   ;)    Am I close?  Really, I'm asking.    I DON"T want MORE misunderstandings to develop  :)      

Oh, BTW……that gun analogy?  You did include the 'human' factor in the equation right?  :laugh:

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2014, 10:28:16 AM »
Here's your proof.

"I came to this conclusion years ago……….none of 'this' matters.  Even 'if' proof existed to establish what the 'birthers' believe it wouldn't change the direction our Country or our World is headed.  Not one bit."

I have no idea what you are thinking, but you are saying that if he was elected through lies, deceits, and forgeries, nothing would change if it was proven to be so.

It is very hard for me to believe any person could actually believe that.
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