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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2014, 12:50:39 PM »
some of them think they came from space, too.   :evil:

i think people have a romanticized idea of what life might be like if everyone had stayed in their little space and grilled local mammals on a spit. 

you can go back as far in history as we have history and someone was always marching, conquering, and the advances of their civilization.  it is, after all, the advanced civilization that usually wins wars...if they fight to win. 

want to know who is really responsible for Europeans ending up here in numbers?  blame the Muslims.  :-D  one of the reasons for searching out new sea routes for trade was the fact that the Muslims had taken over so many of the trade routes and were taxing, or killing, travelers/traders.  at that point, the Arab and Persian countries had some of the most advanced mathematics and tech understanding on earth.    the next great leap in tech came from sea travel and the Arab countries and peoples were left behind because they were still taxing land trade instead of learning new skills.
the world moved on and they ended up back in the huts.  colonization brought them into the modern world and those with oil....well, we know how all that has gone.....
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2014, 01:44:26 PM »
Quote; "some of them think they came from space, too."  I think there is plenty of evidence to substantiate that we do, we are from space. 

Perhaps you believe the world is flat too?  :-D
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2014, 03:40:21 PM »
The world ain't flat. There's hills all around here.  :-* :-*
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2014, 05:29:58 AM »
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I think there is plenty of evidence to substantiate that we do, we are from space. 

:shock: Say What???
Quite difficult matters can be explained even to a slow-witted man, if only he has not already adopted a wrong opinion about them; but the simplest things cannot be made clear even to a very intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he already knows, and knows indubitably, the truth of the matter under consideration. -Leo Tolstoy

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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2014, 07:08:58 AM »
Oh C'mon now…….let's not drift…..  ;)

Are we 'not' all living on an orbiting planet, that's part of a solar system, that's part of a galaxy, that is IN SPACE………??  We are literally surrounded by space, bombarded daily with space dust, we breath space particles with each inhale, we are made up of the same ingredients.…….need I go on?  :-D

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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2014, 09:23:14 AM »
We are Stardust....

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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2014, 12:52:42 PM »
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we breath space particles with each inhale

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We are Stardust....

some of us surely are!   :evil:
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2014, 12:57:59 PM »
I have to admit, there are a couple of real spacey ones on here.   :evil: :-D :-D
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2014, 10:50:13 AM »
Well, if you don't like how Joni Mitchel puts it, perhaps Genesis might make things more palatable?
"for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Oh, and by the way, we do have to get ourselves back to the garden.

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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2014, 06:33:07 AM »
deknow;  :laugh: our garden is still frozen solid with 3 1/2 feet of snow covering it, but I'm with you.  We've been ordering seeds from the 3-4 dozen catalogues we've already gotten.  We'll be starting out our sweet potato 'slips' by the weekend for a June planting………we do love our sweet taters'   yum, yum…….



Seems some folks around here still think the Earth is the center of the known universe :roll:.  I can only blame our schools, our media, our politicians and our churches…etc…oh-oh….and us of course  ;) we must also accept some responsibility…...
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2014, 08:05:59 AM »
This topic took a strange turn,No?
Quite difficult matters can be explained even to a slow-witted man, if only he has not already adopted a wrong opinion about them; but the simplest things cannot be made clear even to a very intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he already knows, and knows indubitably, the truth of the matter under consideration. -Leo Tolstoy

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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2014, 08:26:49 AM »
Indeed; from blatant bigotry to the expanding universe and our part in it, and then back to Earth and gardening………. :laugh:  Gotta love it…... :)  I kinda like the direction it took...
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Re: Shameful truth
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2014, 10:32:13 AM »
I should probably clarify...the 'Genesis' from which I quoted is not the one with Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel  ;)

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