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Author Topic: FACE TO FACE AMMO SALES in EFFECT in NY State starting today  (Read 2364 times)
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« on: January 15, 2014, 05:18:58 PM »

I'll add a link for more info, but after New Hope, NY legislatures enacted a law requiring all ammunition sales to be done face to face, making purchase through online sites like Gunbroker illegal.

There is a whole package of other restrictions to the "New SAFE Act rules" read more here:

http://www.the-leader.com/article/20140114/NEWS/140119845

and I find this interesting, although the content differs somewhat.
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/NY-SAFE-Act-ammo-sales-deadline-is-a-dud-5143693.php

The interesting point (something I guess I assumed) says that ammo purchasers must be background checked now before purchasing ammo - forgive for being in the Socialist state of New Jersey, but that is a given here, you need to show your firearms ID to purchase ammo, I assume MOST OF YOU do not have to do that???

And in the short video embedded in the second link I provide, it says that ammo can still be purchased online as long as 1) you meet the online seller face to face and 2) he/she has a license to sell in NY. Whoopy freakin' doo - so what is different about the law and this exemption except that you can PAY FOR IT prior to going to pick it up in person - bite me Gov. Cuomo, I'll take my chances with Chris Christie and his Bridge-Gate scandal (finally a "GATE" scandle with a name that makes sense at least) NJ law makers want to reduce magazine capacity to 10 rounds, but that isn't going anywhere and of course they want to add more weapons to the ASSAULT WEAPONS LIST. Using the term assault weapons today is so arbitrary, if a state or the Feds wish, they can classify anything as an assault weapon, can't they? Isn't that the loop-hole that will drive nails into the lid of the 2nd amendment coffin? 

As, one Youtube said (I believe it was The Yankee Marshall) Nothing stops anyone with a handgun and a pouch full of 10 round mags from doing a mass killing in a state where carry laws are prohibited - it is only an armed citizenry that can put this shooter down. And sadly he is right, you don't need a tricked out AK or AR to commit total carnage. I can't remember the Amish school house shoot and what he had, but it wouldn't have mattered anymore than Aurora moviehouse.

I spent my morning at the range and I need to go that way again tomorrow, so I'll likely stop buy again. I have committed myself to making our home our fallout location if SHTF. My wife loves to shoot (I'm still so pleased that she enjoys the range) and she also takes it serious, as we have planned for any home intrusion. We don't have an arsenal, yet what we have, we train with. She has cleaned both our guns on two occasions to familiarize herself with breaking down and reassembling the Glock, she is in charge of counting and storage of the ammo as well - with the .22 we weigh the ammo to keep track of it, at almost exactly 3 grams with the Federal Champion 36 grain hollow point, using our very accurate digital kitchen scale makes for easy round tracking.

We've had several bug out drills. We both initiate them without the other knowing when - we yell "INTRUDER DRILL" loud enough to be heard through the home and then follow our plans. We have taken this all serious, as I said: following Super Storm Sandy, everything changed. Today, we are more prepared for any emergency, even have a bug-out place for a tornado, something New Jersey does get, bet you didn't know that. "Under our stairs" which lead up to the living room and down to the lower lever in this bi-level home of our, it is very fortified. There are two full closets, one that can be entered from a bedroom and goes through to the laundry room. The pass through height is about 4ft high and fronted by a 6 step high solid concrete porch to the north and fully built of support beams overhead and each of the two closeted sections are 2X4 structured internal walls. It is a very good place for about 4 people to hold out in any weather condition.

I just mention all this, because when one state enacts a law, suddenly neighboring states seem to think that is a great idea and adopts it. Before you know it, I can't get ammo without paying $24 for 100 rounds of .22 IF it is available. There's no better way to create a blackmarket than to make something legal, illegal. And when people who are already hoarding ammo have no other outlet to purchase than to but face to face, chaos ensues and martial law breaks out and the government gets what they want, a panicked population that enforces what the people who want to take the 2nd Amendment away have been saying all along.

If you can create mod mentality over Cabbage Patch Kids, Talking Elmos and Beanie Babies, wait until you feel your own ability to protect your family stripped away - you'll want ammo then and plenty of it - if all Hell breaks loose in the streets, you will do whatever is needed to survive.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 06:57:02 PM »

nope and i am surprised that more effort has not gone into restricting ammo purchase.  lets not give them any ideas! evil
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 07:45:11 PM »

Reguardless of all the laws required to purchase the ammo...THERE HAS TO BE AMMO TO PURCHASE....@#@$%$^&^%$#@*&^%..Dont make me repeat that...Cuomo's gotta go...good riddenance to Bloomberg...vote the bastards out.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2014, 11:05:48 AM »

RJ

I'm sure if you hang out in any gun forums (even this one) you get replies like "MOVE OUT OF NY!!" as if that is realist option to any of us. I feel your pain, and I'm truly scared we are soon to follow on several big issues on gun control here as well.

I had a good talk about this with my wife last night who is all for us stocking up when the prices allow, mostly Gunbroker bids that I catch at good times. But I see now that I'll be getting several more 15 round mags and slowly build up a larger reserve of ammo, which someday could be currency to some gun owners.

I Use to call this Beemaster Central and think I'll switch that up to Beemaster Compound (meant light-heartedly, at least for now) it is scary to think how bad it could get. I can see now though, if you have now stocked up to a number that satisfies you, then reaching your quantities just got extremely tougher.

I think it great that I bid on a case of ammo and it appears at my doorstep, with no need to even sign for it (I have eagle eyed neighbors who keep an eye on other neighbors when packages are left - no one is taking the box (if they can carry it - lol)

more later, a friend just came over....
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2014, 11:25:27 AM »

This may be a bit OT, but not entirely.

The other day, the Governor of VT gave a state of the state speech focused on the heroine problem in the state of VT.

A friend that lives in VT (and is very astute and intelligent) who is in the medical industry and has a child with this problem (if you've ever seen this first hand in a promising young person with their whole life ahead of them you know what heartbreak is) stopped by the other day.

Her take was this......
1.  The problem started with the over prescription of synthetic opiates (Oxycontin, etc) followed by cracking down on them, terminating the supply for a lot of addicts...and sparking the demand for heroine on the street.

2.  The very (overly) permissive gun laws make it a destination for urban drug dealers to acquire firearms.....which they trade for the heroine that they are dealing.

Lots of rich urbanites vacation in VT year round...and the dealers look like rich urbanites....drive the same SUV's....wear the same clothes, etc.

I'm not any kind of expert on the gun laws in VT, so I don't know the specifics or if this analysis has any merit.

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adding:  Perhaps the lesson here is that a state does not have to have the most restrictive gun laws in the land, as long as there is another state nearby with less restrictive ones to lure the criminals.   ...kind of like not having to be faster than the bear chasing you,  just faster than the other person the bear is chasing.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2014, 11:39:39 AM »

If it carries merit, it's one more reason why Vt. residents should hate the more restrictive laws of NY and NJ. It not only causes problems for NY and NJ citizens, but the neighboring states, too.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 02:42:44 PM »

This is the third year that a person in the Mississippi house has introduced a bill to have you to give your name and SS number so they could track who and how much ammo you buy.  It hasn't made it to a vote in the committee it goes to.  The Governor said if it ever get voted in while he is in office he will veto it.
The price of ammo has gone up a good bit in resent years as well as availability. 
I was counting some of my ammo back a few months ago, decided to hold off for now on buying any.   John, I don't weigh my 22's just count the boxes, that's what I do with the rest also.
Good luck to you fellows with all the restrictions.


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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2014, 02:50:13 PM »

-criminals go to states with less restrictive gun laws, buy guns, come back and commit crimes.  -

just think about that for a second and see if you can't draw some conclusions about the difference between states with restrictive and less restrictive laws.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 10:15:46 PM »

Kathp..you are sharp..gotta love the places with the signs that say " GUN FREE ZONE" what it really say's is target rich environment.
Criminals just love an unarmed society, make their job so much less dangerous.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 05:43:23 AM »

I am probably straying from the main point so please excuse me. I have several friends who were in the Gulf War DS/DS. No eye to eye fighting. They have found it very easy to get the Post Dramatic Stress disability percentage on their retirement. So, now they are a documented mental illness type and we hear from Diane F. from California that all vets are mentally ill. And to stir the pot up a little, mental illness is an issue with gun ownership (rightfully so). I guess we'll see if all that leads to anything.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2014, 08:45:05 PM »

>I assume MOST OF YOU do not have to do that???

No.  I can order it through the mail.  I can buy it at Walmart.  I might have to show I'm 21 if buying pistol ammo.  I remember when I was 19 and my wife was 21 that she had to buy .22 ammo for me as it was considered pistol ammo (even though I was shooting it in a rifle).  I have never lived where there were strict gun control laws and can't imagine that I would ever consider it.  I lived in Nebraska, Colorado and Wyoming.  In Wyoming guns outnumber people more than seven to one.  In Nebraska it's about four to one.  In Texas last I heard it was about seven to one also.  The Branch Davidian complex in Waco was very much underarmed compared to the Texas average.  A fact that never seemed to make the news...
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2014, 04:36:20 PM »

Well... to sicken some of you even more, I just applied for my limit of three handgun permits, the wait period quoted now is 6-7 months.

I was a fool to only apply for 2 HG permits upon filing for my firearms license - that THIRD gun after buying the two I have would have been an interesting study and choice. Likely I would stay in the calibers I shoot now, but not sure (at all) after looking at so many handguns, which I would choose.

Luckily, ammo laws are still protected here, unlike my poor neighbors just 50 miles north of here. The neighbors 40 miles West in PA have carry laws, I believe no magazine limitations (we are limited to 15 in NJ) and 10 in NY.

It is still (I believe) one of the best examples of how state laws apply to citizens. We never think of it as we drive past those touristry roadsigns "WELCOME TO (fill in the blank state)" Bt when coming here, if you wish to obey out of state resident laws, keep guns packed separate from your ammo in sealed containers in your trunk and LEAVE NJ as soon as possible.

They say ignorance is no excuse to breaking the law, but I believe if I lived in a Pro-Gun state, I don't think I'd change my daily routine driving thru here, especially if you don't know where you are going. I can see times when residents here would be willing to arm themselves according to where you are. There is no such think as a scenic and leisurely drive through Newark, Camden, Trenton, and countless Northern NJ cities - of which I am very far from (at least an hour away from any urban area) and I never see a reason to go to any of them, unless selected for the Grand Jury in Trenton, and as much as I would love to be on jury duty (seriously) going into Trenton is not what white people choose to do. Just keeping it real.

PS - 1000 rounds of 9mm arrive tomorrow, I'm stashing up here at the Beemaster Compound! Jerry

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