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« on: December 20, 2013, 01:04:52 PM »

We spent 8 or 9 pages on the 2nd Amendment when the topic was "The last lead smelter closed" obviously, the 2nd Amendment is a hot topic and seeing this video, which is short and to the point says a lot and is scary to Americans

Everyone who follows my post know I am a recent gun owner and I'm happy to say that PAPER TARGETS fear me Smiley

But to the real point. I enjoy and respect my guns, as my wife too respects them. Our deluge into the Youtube video content taught use to NOT fear but respect guns - the respect part was pretty obvious, but both of us watched everything from gun-store etiquette, to being confident at the range, without feeling like the "new-people". I say sincerely that we both are known at the range and our handling of weapons has earned the range masters respect. I is a good feeling when you go to a shop/range and they know you (maybe not by name, but by site) and we come, shoot and go without drawing any attention because we are methodical and confident in our range etiquette.

At home, we have a plan for any scenario that is likely to happen and we practice it. My wife has a computer table at the couch where she sits and has her Ruger SP101-22lr on the lower shelf, loaded and ready to grab at a seconds notice. In the bedroom (when I'm not home) we have my Glock 19 ready for use as well. That bedroom is our SAFE ROOM. We have a corner where we can hide and anyone coming into the bedroom would not see us, at least not before we could see them. Simply put, if we have time to get to that bedroom, we close the door behind us, so no one approaching could see the layout, yet we have a good view which is along side a larger dresser and in a recessed corner space - this is our bug-out spot and we have total advantage against any threat.

I mention all that 1) I doubt any bad guys are reading this forum, 2) having control over the situation with a well practiced plan GREATLY increases our ability to put us in the advantage.

Side thought, and I'll include a photo, I bought a rather inexpensive holster for Tracey, she has no issues with a double action loaded revolver under her computer stand, having a 12 pound pull in DA to me makes that as safe as any gun. Fact is that "Safeties"  usually get in the way, cause delays in firing the gun as you deal with "over-safe" guns. I looked and searched hard before buying my Glock, I liked the Sig Sauer M11-A1 (pretty close to the P226) but that gun and especially the fully ambidexterous handguns were unnecessarilly wide, too many external safties and just clumbsy to handle because all guns (ambi or not) still have a right-handed design, adding all the "lefty stuff" just made for one safety getting in the way of another safety.

So, I'm a big believer that the only real safty is between your ears. Fumbling around, flipping this and that off are time wasting issues that could be the difference between living or dying.

But having handled both weapons often now, my wife is comfortable at picking up the gun, checking to see if it is loaded, loading it, chambering a round, handling and holding it safely and all the things you do post firing it. I really enjoy seeing her handling the guns purposely and correctly. Her confidence is admirable. For her Ruger I bought, just yesterday od nicely made nylon holster to keep her .22 under the table, so it doesn't get scratched, dusty or whatever.

It perfectly covers the trigger guard and it has a SNAP on the strap that goes around the weapon just behind the hammer. It can be moved about and never get snagged on anything, but you can lift it up, pop the snap, pull if from the holster and fire in about 4 seconds, no one could kick a door in our home and get anywhere near her in less than 10 seconds. She likes this inexpensive gift and it has purpose and functionality, and in a state where you cannot wear it, at least you can keep it protected and nearby.

My point to all this is the Liberal white House and Congress want to rape and pillage every gun owner in our land. I think the first thing they will do (talking about Biden's report to Obama" is TAX STAMP everything, drive the gun owners into the poor house by taxing everything that is registered, not just suppressors or specialty weapon, but an annual tax that would make it tougher for gun owners to protect their own lives, whether in home or as a conceal carrier.

This President isn't done destroying our country yet. Obamacare is the 800 pound gorilla in the room, it will fail (miserably) and our country will spend billions trying to return us to something more normal. But guns will be the fight that keeps on ticking - as long as deranged people keep walking into crowded places (especially schools) the Left has all the fodder they need to milk that cow until it is dry. They wont be happy until every weapon is registered and accounted for. I think sites like Gunbroker where I bought 5250 rounds of .22 will raise flags and thicken your file.

Nancy Grace, that rating ho' asks her audience why George Zimmerman (or anyone) needs 200 rounds of ammo and why are there guns out there with "No Safeties". You know she is a hypocrite because she is a southern girl and I cannot imagine her not growing up around guns. But she sells commercial time and also sells her soul to the devil making people with licenses for handgun the "Bad Guy"  never mind the millions of guns sold illegally on the street to thugs and gangs, those guns don't sell commercials, so she has selective memory concerning them.

I have heard people say that if someone breaks in their home, there is only the home-owner left to give a police report. If there is a threat, you fire until the threat is null, period.

Back to the video... It is short, but replace the country Australia with the US in your mind as you watch it and I know you can see how the government can change your 2nd amendment rights into a pile of gun pieces and stripped Rights that a generation or two from now will seem the norm. A horrific shooter and death toll started this ban in Australia, not very different that what has happened here lately. And of course the government would be doing this for "OUR PROTECTION" meanwhile the gangs and released cons who are no better now than they were when first incarcerated - they will find the guns and if the government gets its way, law-abiding citizen death toll will sky-rocket, and there is no doubt in my mind, the Liberals will come up with an excuse to satisfy the 47%ers. Watch this, and don't for a second think that this couldn't happen here.

Gun Control Laws in Australia caused crime to skyrocket, don't make the same mistake America

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2013, 04:50:43 AM »

Think its a joke even a .17 air rifle in Australia is a class A weapon and comes under the same laws as a 30.30 or my personal favorite
22.250 winchester, be afraid America be very Afraid dont let this happen to you
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 04:53:34 PM »

truly a shame everyday people no longer able to defend themselves. dont thoe criminals know its against the law to have guns? you would think they would follow the law when they are kicking in doors and committing armed robbery rolleyes

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2013, 04:59:33 PM »

Think its a joke
I think you must be kidding aren't you? I am very thankful we don't have the prolific gun problem over here that the Americans have, where it seems anyone with a grudge and a mental health issue can get their hands on a weapon and "solve" their problem by shooting a few other people.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2013, 09:06:55 PM »

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I can't even begin to respond to how idiotic you sound to most Americans, so I won't.

I will add to those who realize that with 314 million US citizens (not 22 million as Australia does) that here in New Jersey, you need a firearms license to purchase an "airsoft gun, BB or pellet gun - yes bernsad, a 5 month long (in my case) background check to buy a gun that shoots plastic pellets, or as you probably call it - an assault rifle"

The mentally challenged you are likely citing of recent days was a mentally challenged young man who's mother let him shoot real weapons with her and his brother at a local range, but FOOLISHLY she didn't have a gun-safe to properly stow those guns, and he sadly killed her first before killing 2 dozen children and teachers. This has nothing to do with gun laws, it is a responsibility issue and she failed - the horror that followed could have easily been avoided. Instead, it became the poster child of the Leftist politicians and feeds the liberal media with fodder every time a guns debate airs.

It's easy to blame guns, and even easier to blame responsible gun owners - but in every case, responsible gun owners didn't commit these massacres. The media would have you believe so, and your own government has you believing that guns are bad, and that only police and evil people have guns - the shame of that is, it is all a lie.

The adage that "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" is true. The laws of our land, the laws millions have fought to preserve, grants us the Right to bear arms and to opt to do so or not is a freedom we cherish. No one sticks a gun in your hand an says "Here, now you're an American!" somehow, people these days seem to think it is as mandatory as paying taxes. Surely, you can disagree, but your statement was asinine.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2013, 09:15:00 PM »

 I dont think the US problem is mainly about the actual laws, its more complicated than that for sure. NEW Zealand and Canada, for example, have very similar gun laws to US, as far as semi-automatic rifles and shotguns go, at least.

"gun Control" is entirely a socialist technique for enhancing social control, and is essential for undermining democracy. For the common good, ha. Bad guys have no problem getting whatever they want.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2013, 11:06:14 PM »

one of the reasons we have mentally ill people running around doing things like bashing in peoples heads in grocery stores...and yes, occasionally getting guns, is that the very same nuts who want to take our guns, thought it would be kind to "mainstream" the mentally ill into the general society.  then they made it illegal to share info on the mental status of those same people...or to force them to take medications.

the only time i have even shown a weapon was on my own property when one of those folks was wandering around up by my barn.  i'll keep my guns, thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2013, 11:52:13 PM »

Beemaster, idiotic, really?

It staggers and saddens me the number of reports we hear out of the US about people getting shot. Yes, you can go on about responsible gun owners and your right to bear arms etc... but the fact remains that the more weapons that are out there, the greater the likelihood of someone irresponsible getting their hands on one and doing damage. I agree with you, it's not the guns themselves nor the responsible gun owners that are the problem but the fact there are so many guns around that you feel the need to protect yourself from the next person who may have one and may not be as responsible as yourself.

I have been following your posts about your Glock and your target practice and the things that struck me as unfortunate were that you have to store a gun beneath the computer in the living room or that you have to plan a fallback position in the bedroom in case your home gets invaded. I imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you are concerned that the intruder will be armed, and likely with a gun. Responsible gun-owning intruder? No. I am fortunate over here that I don't have to worry about a gun-wielding person breaking into my home, the chances of that happening are very remote, and it has nothing to do with the population difference between the 2 countries and everything to do with the fact there just aren't that many guns around.

Now I appreciate that the problem is out of hand in America, too many guns out in the population that will never be removed and the best defence is an offence, I just don't want that in my country.

Oh, and what is asinine is believing that the crime rate in Australia has skyrocketed after the gun control laws were passed, based on the evidence of one video from the ever reliable source of Youtube!
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2013, 03:26:06 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2013, 06:05:10 AM »

bernsad<The problem is out of hand in America> You must have not seen the video.

The very nature of govt is to grow and control. There is no perfect solution. Something this stupid does nothing but empower the evil. (quote) They won't get my guns until they remove it from my cold dead hands. I work around the public in the cities. It seems over the years a lot of people think if you got it and they want it there's nothing wrong with doing whatever it takes to get it from you. No matter how great the harm to the individual, nor how old the victims are.
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2013, 07:45:02 AM »

To say it correctly, the person I fear the least is the one with a gun, that is unlikely the one who would break into my home. Nearly all gun owners in the United States are very hard working people, family people and ones that justifiably have met all the requirements of gun registration and ownership in the United States. These are fine upstanding citizens, not the mental case, criminals that you seem to think our gunowners in the United States are. If you took all responsible gun owners out of the equation, we still have a serious issue with guns - the problem is, you do not see the difference between the two, you instead combine the two and assume both are the problem.

I am neither a mental case, nor a criminal and I own guns. And I am proud American, one who earns everything I have supporting the Armed Force of our Country, as I have for over 25 years. And as with most Americans, I neither take nor ask anything from anyone else.

I don't go out of my way to be a leech on society, and then still robbed from it. The trash you're speaking of is not the average American citizen, they are the scum of society, and part of the 2 million people locked behind bars for being the scum of America, the only difference is these people either haven't been caught yet, or they are repeat offenders. I think you need to understand that better. You see no difference in the fact that we have 1500% larger a population than you, and you fail to adjust your number accordingly. Maybe we didn't start a penal society, but a percentage of our population works hard at turning it into one.

But, even a thug knows that breaking and entering with a gun is a felony, they may smash into your home but the chances of them having a gun is slim unless you have an absolute outlaw on your hand and that person needs to be dealt with severely, and if they've put their self in a position where the homeowner has to deal with them, then so be it.  That person, if caught is committing a felony and will go away for at least a decade anyway, but only if caught - would you rather a thief (or worse) leave your home without prosecution? And how exactly is that going to happen unless the homeowner either holds the intruder until the police comes (Liberals call that kidnapping), wound them so that they hopefully show up at a hospital or put them down if the threat is justifiable. That means he's not going to go anywhere beside the morgue or to prison in all the above examples. A home owner can either be a victim or a victor, you won't be both if your home is invaded. And just like the police, it is the home owner's job to be alive and safe at the end of a intrusion.

We can argue about if the DEATH PENALTY is ever warranted, well I'll tell you that if someone is holding a knife to your loved one's throat it is! If someone is coming at me with a weapon, he has chosen his fate, not me!

Somehow I think you have America and Somalia mixed up. I wonder where all these people walking the streets with guns shooting each other are, sounds like the Old-West and yes, sadly sounds like some of the inner cities of our nation, but either this is bad guys shooting bad guys as in gang activity) or unfortunate innocent people caught in the wrong place and they are victimized. These are the same inner cities where we dump billions of dollars into, and get nothing but drugs and destruction back from, decade after decade.

I'm one of those folks (we're called tax payers) who believe that sometimes a wrecking ball, a front end loader and a dump truck does a better job of cleaning up the city then does any police force or any social program including Obama's affordable healthcare.

The ones I fear coming in my home, are the druggies down the street that I don't know, the people who drive into my neighborhood for a quick "stop and go" to pick up whatever drug it is they pick up. The same people that have pulled in front of my home and got out, thinking it's the drug House a block away and have literally walked up my driveway. It's this human trash which the cops do nothing to shut down that cause me to defend my home. Neighborhoods across our country have houses where drugs are sold out of and Law-enforcement has no money to watch and bust them all - so a normal, productive family lives in a neighborhood and a neighboring home goes for foreclosure and a dope house moves in. Next thing you know, cars all hours of the night pull up like a fast food window and THE INNOCENT people have to keep their kids in their home, they have to live in fear because the police are understaffed and under-funded. Their lives are turned upside down and they are the victims.

You don't see the need for a parent doing whatever is needed to protect their home. Drugs don't discriminate and you never know what brain altering chemical is pulsing through the bodies of the zombies stumbling out of their cars for a fix and worse yet, they may have no fear to steal from you to buy their fix. Well, in America we have Rights, I believe you had them and let them be stripped away with little resistance, and even more puzzling - compliance.

Truth be told, the US has no money, nor do they want to gets rid of the depressed (not oppressed) people, and social misfits - just dump them on the street, just keep giving them drugs, don't make them work, don't put them in jail, just let them come to my neighborhood, where hundreds and hundreds of hard-working families do the right thing every day their entire lives and let drug-induced zombies take what they want, and let the Liberal buses pick them up and drive them to the polls every election day whether they're citizens or not.

 But then one night someone comes in someone's door smashing it with their foot, breaking in a house looking to steal anything they can for drugs or money - because 1) they know no other way to support their habits because they're so screwed up and UN-hireable and 2) it's easy to take from those who actually earned things, why not, no one should have excess, everybody should be equal in America, just ask any liberal, I should work "20 hours" out of every 40 hours a week for others who do absolutely nothing to feed their own families or to support their own drug habits - I guess feeding a heroin addicts habit is everyone's job: just leave you HDTV and an envelope with a few hundred bucks on your doorstep and maybe they'll leave your home alone - yeah, I'm sure that will work just fine.  That's the liberal American way, we support everybody even if the make no effort to support themselves.

Generations of families go by, who have never earned a penny - not a penny on their own, and have always lived off of the taxpayer, they still feed from us, they are social vampires that milk this country dry. They steal from the hands that feed them, they shoot dope while their kids starve and if they break into our homes, I guess we're supposed to pack them a lunch and a parting gift of their choice? Yes, I do think your "overly-simplistic and stereotypical" views on America is "IDIOTIC" I stand by that opinion, because you don't have a clue.

You may live in the country and never see this, you may live in the city and never see this, but you could live in either and see it every day, around every corner. People who could break in to your homes, they will rape and torture your family, then kill them, and grab a DVD player on the way out the door and sell your stuff at a yard sale with no regret, no feeling and no remorse. They are societies zombies.

My wife and I own two homes. The home we lived in before we moved to where we are now was broken in and all the copper wiring and all the copper pipe was stolen from the home. Nothing else was stolen, and very few things were trashed as they got to the pipe and the baseboard heating, which was all stolen - copper is selling for a fortune. This wasn't your crack addict, this is your unemployed or destitute plumber, electrician or some other member of society that has hit an all-time low they never thought they would. They are the working poor (which is a massive number of people in our country - I would say they greatly surpass Australia's population) they have sunk to depths they never saw coming while trying to feed their family.

The same kind of crimes of stealing copper is found in brand-new home design and homes that appear to be un-lived in throughout this country, a whole new sector of criminals that are struggling under this administration. Yes (I say sarcastically) our society is doing wonderful, glad you asked.

The majority of our states allow some sort of weapons carry, either conceal or open gun carry. In these states you do not see the crime you see elsewhere statistically: no one is going to shoot and kill a group of people if they know half of those people are carrying weapons themselves. In history, the greatest weapons are ALWAYS the ones you never have to use.

You seem to follow my story so well, I need not tell you I'm in NJ, a state where (similar to you) we are told in school and beyond that only cops and bad guys have guns. We'll, that isn't even a half truth. Much of our country knows about our Right to Bear Arms, the Right to Preserve Life and Property. There is still that Jersey boy in me (and a state law that enforces the idea) that Property is NOT something that a life can be taken over - but using a gun in defense of self and others is the law. No one has the right to take your life if you have done nothing to provoke such an extreme threat, but if you choose to threaten someone's life, you should EXPECT to sacrifice your life for your own recklessness.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2013, 08:09:19 AM »

Another noteworthy point (as also mentioned in other pro gun posts) is the highest deaths by a gun is mostly in a "gun free" zone.

On the back of a T Shirt;

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2013, 09:59:30 AM »

Our "tolerant" society does not want to "tolerate" our defense against the kind of people that become of all our "tolerating " 
Political correctness has produced a bunch of deviant behaviors in our society.
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2013, 11:24:50 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2013, 11:45:54 AM »

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It staggers and saddens me the number of reports we hear out of the US about people getting shot. Yes, you can go on about responsible gun owners and your right to bear arms etc... but the fact remains that the more weapons that are out there, the greater the likelihood of someone irresponsible getting their hands on one and doing damage. I agree with you, it's not the guns themselves nor the responsible gun owners that are the problem but the fact there are so many guns around that you feel the need to protect yourself from the next person who may have one and may not be as responsible as yourself.

might not be the point.  i would rather take my chances with whatever nut may get it's hands on a gun, than allow my government to disarm me.  you choose to be disarmed.  we choose not to.

in a country of 300 million, our shootings are not common, thus news worthy.  if they were as common as you suggest, they would not make honorable mention.  there is a segment of our society that want those stories to be a told.  they are the same who would disarm us.

there are places where there is a fair amount of gun violence.  those places have lots of poverty and gangs.  they also are run by the same people who would disarm us....and those are the places that have the most strict gun control.

since it is obvious they can not control the criminals in these leftist areas, we choose not to allow them to extend their polices to the rest of us.  beemaster lives in a place with some very strict gun control, yet, as you point out, wants a gun for protection.


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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2013, 12:25:39 PM »

Well said on both of the above posts!
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2013, 03:24:45 PM »

Sure Ken, don't comment on my 8000 word dissertation -  Cry

So True Kathy, thank God stories of gun incidents are still news worthy, or as you say, it means that such violence is so common place it is no longer worth reporting. Of course the CNN and MSNBC's of the world suck as much air time to push the leftist agenda.

It's a tricky spot using terms like pro-gun or anti-gun, people link it to things like pro-abortion - a term that I have heard used, a rather sick term that the media would rather use than pro-choice. I', for neither, but the prior is an example of media spin.

Same can be said when people argue that anyone that is pro-2nd amendment, that they are pro-assault weapons. Of course telling people that anything can be an assault weapon doesn't rid their minds of people propped in the back of their trucks shooting Gatling guns and rocket launchers at abandoned cars. It's all pictures painted by the media, used to cement a foothold in your mind, so that the next story will be even more horrific and more importantly, more anti-gun.

And in a quote above about getting a gun because you fear others who have guns who may not be as sane as you - if that is any kind of quote, I have never heard anyone say that. I have no fear of any neighbor that has home defense weapons, hunting weapons, range guns - none.

They have either been brought up with guns and taught to use them or they've made that leap on their own deciding it was time to protect your family, not from the MILLIONS of gun owners across this land, but the psycho who thinks a quick "crash and grab" or the dark corner purchase of a hot pistol, or a straw purchase, superseding the laws of states - it is these people who want guns to terrorize, and those who have them to protect themselves against rival gang violence that both sickens lawful gun owners, and gives uninformed people the thought that it is still the Wild West out here.



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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 04:45:07 PM »

John, I thought my earlier post was in response. Smiley
And your dissertation does go to the root of why our 2nd amendment was needed then and now.
The constant reporting of incidents of gun violence in small towns where guns are legal to have proves that it is an agenda with the news talkers. Very seldom do they report of the violence in areas with the highest firearm restrictions. Small town open country, which the majority of our nation is, carries a much lighter violence rate than in areas where gun ownership is prohibited.
The entitlement mentality and the political correctness of the urban living is trying to spread into the suburbs and rural areas of our country. When we resist this decay of society the news media is there to do it's job of portraying us a racists and homophobes,which we are not. We enjoy our way of life in small town America and do not want the rot and refuse that ruined the cities to do the same here.  Those that move here for a change of life are welcome, but don't come here and ask me to uproot my life to accommodate you.
Perhaps the idea of border fences needs to be done state by state to corral that which is ruining our nation.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2013, 05:27:02 PM »

If Bernsad lived in Chicago where the gun laws are more in line with his he in would see this a little differently.
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2013, 07:13:50 PM »

Bernsad, Wonga, or anyone, What about the sheep/goat ranchers over there? How do they go about protecting their herds from dingo's or any other critter? If I remember right Australia is the #1 exporter of goats and maybe sheep as well. If the ranchers can't defend their herds the gov't is going to be hit in the pocket book.
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2013, 07:55:00 PM »

>Nancy Grace, that rating ho' asks her audience why George Zimmerman (or anyone) needs 200 rounds of ammo and why are there guns out there with "No Safeties".

I've shot up 400 rounds in an afternoon of prairie dog shooting... if I had all day, I would have shot up 800 rounds... and that's just firing about one a minute.  If I was just plinking at cans I could shoot up more...

The idea that guns need safeties just shows ignorance of gun design.  Some need them.  Some don't by design.  Double action revolvers do not and I would not own one if it had a safety.  Any gun with a hammer and a firing pin block that keeps the hammer from hitting the firing pin when the trigger is not depressed does not need a safety and again, I would not own such a gun that had one.  But this is one of the easiest things to convince people of when they know nothing about guns.

I don't remember any mass shooting in recent times that was not in a  place that did not allow guns.  Malls, theaters, schools.  All places that no one is allowed to carry.  Mass murderers may be crazy, selfish and immoral, but they are not stupid...
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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2013, 08:31:32 PM »

Bernsad, why are all the mass shootings in the US happening in totally gun free zones?

Why are the vast majority of gang shootings happening in the cities with the very strictest gun control laws?

How will more laws remove guns from criminals, when they have the ability to manufacture them?

How many people without guns committed mass killings this year? IE: Explosive belts, roadside bombs, etc.
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Please answer those 4 questions, then tell me you still think only law breakers should have guns.
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2013, 12:27:12 PM »

>Nancy Grace, that rating ho' asks her audience why George Zimmerman (or anyone) needs 200 rounds of ammo and why are there guns out there with "No Safeties".

I've shot up 400 rounds in an afternoon of prairie dog shooting... if I had all day, I would have shot up 800 rounds... and that's just firing about one a minute.  If I was just plinking at cans I could shoot up more...

The idea that guns need safeties just shows ignorance of gun design.  Some need them.  Some don't by design.  Double action revolvers do not and I would not own one if it had a safety.  Any gun with a hammer and a firing pin block that keeps the hammer from hitting the firing pin when the trigger is not depressed does not need a safety and again, I would not own such a gun that had one.  But this is one of the easiest things to convince people of when they know nothing about guns.

I don't remember any mass shooting in recent times that was not in a  place that did not allow guns.  Malls, theaters, schools.  All places that no one is allowed to carry.  Mass murderers may be crazy, selfish and immoral, but they are not stupid...


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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2013, 03:40:25 PM »

   Have to run, off for Xmas breakfast at sons house. Then to daughters for lunch and lazy afternoon. I'm in the right thread but just dont have time to reply at the moment. What a topic which leads into all sorts of conflicts of interests, will start again tomorrow.
   In the meantime yáll and mates have a Happy Xmas and I,ll probably be singing "Leave your guns at home Son.
                   Have a good day everybody.
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