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« on: December 12, 2013, 11:02:50 PM »

i'm on a hunting forum and there are always several threads about crossing property lines to retrieve deer.  there are the guys that are going to recover the animal no matter what and the guys feel like you should contact the land owner or stop at the line if you haven't got an understanding in place already.
i'm not intentionally going onto someone's property without their permission and i'm going to have an issue with anyone that crosses onto mine without asking.
how do my fellow beekeepers feel about this?
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 11:44:06 PM »

i would give permission to come and get your kill.  no point in wasting it.  i would not be happy to find someone wandering around without permission.  it would put that person at risk also.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2013, 02:18:54 AM »

If somebody shoots an animal and it wonders onto my property, I would prefer they retrieve it rather than let it rot.  Nothing worse than the smell of a dead animal!  No big deal to me as long as they don’t destroy a bunch of crops in the process of retrieving the animal/deer.  I really despise deer, so I'm thrilled to be rid of as many of them as possible.  Duck might be another issue though, I would get irritated if I find people roaming all over my bee yard (and other goodies) trying to find downed fowl every day.  

I’ve got the “no trespassing” signs up, but nobody pays any attention to them.  Some folks just ignore the laws. police  What are you gonna do?
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2013, 05:46:30 AM »

Don't have to have an opinion here in N.C. The law thinks for you. If you are following a deer you shot, or a swarm of honeybees, you are allowed by law to retrieve them.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 06:48:13 AM »

Finding someone on my property that I did not expect, with a gun, is disconcerting, but I'd rather they would follow a wounded deer and retrieve it.  I would be upset if they were hunting on my place without permission.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2013, 08:53:46 AM »

As far as the law goes in Missouri one is supposed to ask permission to retrieve wounded game.  Following a wounded deer onto someone else's property is trespassing.

One of the things people sometimes do is to hunt where they do not have permission and then if they get caught claim they shot the deer over on Joe's ground and it ran across the line.  It happens kind of a lot around here.  This part of our state is well known for people hunting anytime they want with no regard for official seasons or limits.

I'm sort of torn about that since I don't believe they are the "King's Deer" on the one hand, and on the other hand if we didn't have something in place to limit how many people took we wouldn't have any to hunt pretty soon.

To answer your question though, I would want someone to ask if they could retrieve a wounded animal.  I have some of the worst neighbors around though, so I know they would not bother asking if they could help it, they would just try to "sneak".

One of them even told me it was MY FAULT that another neighbor was making and distributing Meth because I should have been "sneaking around" over at his place to see what I could find.  Oh Brother! smiley

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2013, 10:27:21 AM »

well, i'm lucky because i know my neighbors so if i came up on a stranger chances are they are up to no good.  the law in georgia is that you must have permission or stay out.  
there are a lot of people on the hunting forum with the attitude that it's "their deer" and they are going to get it no matter what. my thoughts are that people with that attitude are likely to think it's ok to take what ever they want too.  
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2013, 01:50:16 PM »

I would probably give anyone permission to retreive a deer form my property. I would most likely help them.
But they darn well better ask first.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013, 02:30:28 PM »

I Michigan you cant go after them without permission.  If you ask permission and are denied you can contact a conservation officer and they will get the animal for you.   It is also illegal to tag a deer shot by someone else so the landowner that denies you access cant take it from you.  I have one of these jerks on the 20 south of my hunting fourty.  I have been told that I do not have permission so all shots taken near the line are head and necks and do not run period   
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2013, 09:21:05 PM »

If it's someone I didn't know they need to ask first. If it's someone I grew up with they should at least give me a call once they find it. Courtesy begats courtesy. (in theory)
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2013, 02:11:32 PM »

When you are on a blood trail (especially a very weak one) leaving that trail for a few minutes makes the difference between being able to follow it or not.  It goes from red to brown quickly and once the few drops are brown they are hard to spot...
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2013, 03:00:35 PM »

I would make get permission before trespassing to trail one.

If I recall correctly, our law states that you must get permission. If the landowner denies permission the hunter should contact a conservation officer and they will assist you.

Is someone asked me for permission I would ask to tag along.  grin I love the challenge of trailing. I have found deer that have left no blood trail at all.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2013, 04:57:04 PM »

Yup, the law here in Georgia is you can not trespass to get fallen game.  I have even heard of a guy that could see his dead deer behind a neighbors house and she would not let him have it.  There went one of his buck tags and no meat.  It stinks but I see the reason to keep people from hunting or trespassing on your property.  The next big question is about running dogs and keeping them on just one piece of property and not crossing lines.   
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2013, 08:55:49 PM »

yeah allen, i don't like the "my dog's can't read." attitude either.  i want to squirrel hunt with a dog next year.  when i do i'll be sure i've talked to the adjacent property owners before i get started on any land that isn't mine or public. 
again, i know all the people hunting close to me so it shouldn't be an issue.  i just can't believe the people that think the law doesn't apply to them when they shoot a deer so poorly that it's able to run more than 100 yards with a bullet in it. 
in georgia there is almost no excuse for a deer going more than 30 yards.  our deer are small and most shots are probably no more than 50 or 60 yards.  if a young kid did it i can see it but an adult should be patient enough to wait for a good shot or let it walk.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2014, 02:23:46 AM »

I think you should ask, then no problems.  Show respect to the land owner.  In Mississippi you have to have written permission to hunt on someones land.  And you would be hunting a wounded animal.  If asked for permission I would be like Stella, I would help you look for it.  Back several years ago I found a guy crossing my land in full camo and a rifle.  I asked what are you doing, Oh I am lost, I asked what did you come from he told me.  He started out about a mile from my land to the west and I caught him as he came back on my land from the east.  I escorted him to the hi way and told him not to get caught on my place again.



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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2014, 05:52:44 PM »

10framer what kinda squirrel dog are you going to be hunting? I have feist and squirrel hunt when I can. And dogs can't read very well. shocked I hunt a lot of public land and have had um get out and tree in peoples yard. embarassed Most people are pretty understanding when I go after um I leave the gun behind.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2014, 09:57:09 PM »

sterling, i bought a feist.  i've let him run on my place and he has gone out past 200 yards a couple of times if the garmin is telling the truth.  i hunted a wma today just to let him run.  wind was blowing about 15 mph steadily and gusting a lot.  now that i kind of know my way around there i'm going to take him out again sunday.  i realy need to shoot one out to him.  he has a good nose and he looks up in the trees but as soon as one hits the nest he leaves the tree and he's only barked a couple of times when we've "hunted" in city parks.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2014, 10:25:14 PM »

How old is he and what bloodline is he? The squirrels are quick to head for a nest or den this time of the year for sure.
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2014, 10:36:48 PM »

he's 20 months. smokey creek toby was the 2005 mississippi state champion, i found similar breeding on the sire's side to some dog named somebody, something or other tuxedo that i guess is a big deal.  i know he's still not quite old enough to be really finished yet and i think he might not have seen any action from the previous owner.  he rides with me every where i go and we at least hit a park in town almost every day but usually get some woods time at my place but i don't have any squirrel.  thee is a bottom adjacent to my place that has a few fox squirrel in it and i'm going to try to get in there some time this week (lucky i have a great neighbor).  i was going to include a copy of his papers but i don't know how to attach them on here.  ever heard of gill's jack or gill's jill?  they show up a few tmes over 4 generations, i'm guessing they threw (or still throw) good pups since they're in there so much.  also got riverun ruby and riverun j.d. in the mix.  he's brindle with white.  so, all i can tell you is he has some riverun in him.  letters like gr, sq, ch, ch show up here and there but i don't know what they mean.  other names are streak's, williams', boadus', davis', and cochran's.  if you can tell me anything about all that it would be great.
he's smart, he went and pawed his leash when he wanted to go out tonight and i didn't teach him that.  he picks up on words pretty fast.  he figured out that if he acts like he needs to go we go outside and then he just goes into hunt mode.  i've always been a big breed person but this dog is a lot of fun, if he figures it all out i'll definitely get a female or maybe a couple and breed him.  
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2014, 05:45:01 AM »

If somebody shoots an animal and it wonders onto my property, I would prefer they retrieve it rather than let it rot.  Nothing worse than the smell of a dead animal!  No big deal to me as long as they don’t destroy a bunch of crops in the process of retrieving the animal/deer.  I really despise deer, so I'm thrilled to be rid of as many of them as possible.  Duck might be another issue though, I would get irritated if I find people roaming all over my bee yard (and other goodies) trying to find downed fowl every day.  

I’ve got the “no trespassing” signs up, but nobody pays any attention to them.  Some folks just ignore the laws. police  What are you gonna do?


  I always wondered if you have to ask in Michigan? The only time I was asked was if they could drive in to pick up a down deer.
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