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« on: December 05, 2013, 12:46:17 PM »

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was one of the Liberals who was behind getting the Obama Care Law passed three years ago and then said how great it is going to be in Sept of this year. Well it is so great he has exempted his staff from the Obama Care exchanges. The tax payers are going to pick up their tab for his staff.

Also the taxpayers are going to pick up the tab for the money the Insurance Companies are going to loose for their involvement in Obama Care. It's in the bill.

Also the new Obama Care website has no built in identity theft protection. Just tell them everything about your personal stuff so the ID thieves can get it all. Pretty easy they say.

Also the White House has said if you have signed up for Obama Care on the website you better call the Ins. Co. that you think you have insurance with to make sure you really do have insurance because some 30% didn't really get on even though the website said they did. I'm just waiting to hear the stories where people go to the doctors to get treated and find out what Obama Care is really about. It's going to be sad.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 01:09:24 PM »

not sure it could have been worse if they'd planned for it to be worse....oh wait....!!   shocked
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 03:25:26 PM »

Obamacare website hdq.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 05:32:37 PM »

Obamacare website hdq.



I saw this episode of Lancelot Link Secret chip
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 06:04:57 PM »

Obamacare website hdq.




I would trust them before I would that lying bunch at the White House.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 12:05:35 AM »

At least we can laugh about it......sort of grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 12:09:30 PM »

At least we can laugh about it......sort of grin

I feel confidant saying that the Health (care?) Insurance Industry, BIG Finance and those politicians who were 'in the mix' from the beginning ($$$) are having a great big laugh………on us all.   'We the people' are the butt of their jokes AND the sources of their incomes………. laugh laugh While the profits role in……..we fight over how or even 'if' everyone should have access.  Really?

No wonder we got Obamacare, we were all too busy (distracted?).  Where was all 'this' discussion while Congress was (behind closed doors) packaging this gift to the Insurance Industry we all love to hate…..Now…...since it became Obama;s law, all while sustaining and withstanding attacks too numerous and adversarial to mention here (most of us have heard or seen it all before, some of us get sicker of it every day).

IF the Insurance Industry, the BANKS, the 'politicians on ALL sides' truly 'wanted and desired' something other than what we have…..we'd have it.  Fact is….'they' (I know who 'they' is Wink)  like things just as they are.  NO KIDDING!  Especially all the bickering among the 'people', that fits very nicely into the web we are fed……….up front and down the line.   

Or is it down the drain?….I can hear a toilet running…... grin and no one seems to know how to turn off the water…...
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2013, 05:33:20 PM »

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/1476679_633703520018470_1239431483_n.jpg

He was big on controlling Health Care too.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 05:44:32 PM »

At least we can laugh about it......sort of grin

I feel confidant saying that the Health (care?) Insurance Industry, BIG Finance and those politicians who were 'in the mix' from the beginning ($$$) are having a great big laugh………on us all.   'We the people' are the butt of their jokes AND the sources of their incomes………. laugh laugh While the profits role in……..we fight over how or even 'if' everyone should have access.  Really?

No wonder we got Obamacare, we were all too busy (distracted?).  Where was all 'this' discussion while Congress was (behind closed doors) packaging this gift to the Insurance Industry we all love to hate…..Now…...since it became Obama;s law, all while sustaining and withstanding attacks too numerous and adversarial to mention here (most of us have heard or seen it all before, some of us get sicker of it every day).

IF the Insurance Industry, the BANKS, the 'politicians on ALL sides' truly 'wanted and desired' something other than what we have…..we'd have it.  Fact is….'they' (I know who 'they' is Wink)  like things just as they are.  NO KIDDING!  Especially all the bickering among the 'people', that fits very nicely into the web we are fed……….up front and down the line.   

Or is it down the drain?….I can hear a toilet running…... grin and no one seems to know how to turn off the water…...

The toilet you hear running is your key pad. Who was in charge when Obama Care was put into law? You can't blame any group but your Liberals.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2013, 05:48:57 PM »

I love this 1961 warning from Reagan concerning HealthCare and the Liberals true motives...

Youtube link!
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2013, 04:59:14 AM »

You folks all realize that the cerebral cortex allows us to recall events as they actually happened, right?

Are you saying the Republicans had nothing to do with developing the AHCA?  Really?  Hard to debate a fantasy……….. grin but I'll try  Wink 

It was Dems AND Republicans sitting behind those closed doors mentioned deciding how 'they' could best benefit from a 'health care rolleyes Law", if it were only Dems we'd likely have MEDI-CARE for everyone right now and wouldn't be having this debate…..
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2013, 08:06:52 AM »

T-beek, have you signed up yet?
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2013, 08:34:41 AM »

Nope, If not mistaken I have the same 'socialist styled government run health care' as you do.  From the VA.

FYI; Depending on current VA rating systems and income guidelines for 'non-service-connected-disabled' veterans, we are both exempted from participating under the law, thought you knew  Undecided.

You seem to imply that I'm in favor of the AHCA, I'm NOT.  Don't know what ever gave you that idea.  If you bothered to read what I post you'd know my position and opinion, instead of making accusations designed simply to inflame the issue (and me?). 

Try though you might, You cannot shake me iddee.  Not any more, I won't allow it ………..My personal philosophy of 'practicing acceptance' is a blessing; a ZEN thing that really works if your heart (LOVE) is in it. 

Hate can never overcome genuine LOVE IMO.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2013, 11:12:59 AM »

You folks all realize that the cerebral cortex allows us to recall events as they actually happened, right?

Are you saying the Republicans had nothing to do with developing the AHCA?  Really?  Hard to debate a fantasy……….. grin but I'll try  Wink 

It was Dems AND Republicans sitting behind those closed doors mentioned deciding how 'they' could best benefit from a 'health care rolleyes Law", if it were only Dems we'd likely have MEDI-CARE for everyone right now and wouldn't be having this debate…..

T Beek,
First, it's simply the ACA (Affordable Care Act), not the AHCA....An understandable mistake since it's really always been known as OBAMACARE.  A term that all the democrats and Obama embraced, until recently that is...for obvious reasons.

Anyway, refresh my memory on EXACTLY which Republicans voted for this thing...Cause I'm pretty sure there were NONE!  This MESS was passed unilaterally by the DEMOCRATS!  The only reason it wasn't passed as a true single payer was because this was the compromise to win over some of the blue dog democrats (not that there are any that really deserve that label). 

Regardless, ALL DEMOCRATS and ZERO REPUBLICAN votes is how this mess became law...Check your cerebral cortex on that one!
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »

Even some of the Dems were bought off and forced into a yes vote. that poor ole Stupak guy form Mich. lost his whole carrier after the vote. I even felt alittle sorry for him.
It's funny how Libs are jumping ship now. Hope the lake wasn't froze when you jumped.
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 01:35:27 PM »

Why do you guys insist on making this so much harder than it has to be.  I said nothing about 'the vote', I explained that there were other deals going on with the 'appointed committee' that was made up of an equal number from both parties…….and headed by Mr. Baucus a republican democrat, or should I say a 'corporatist money grubbing politician'….a reptile of the lowest order….before the vote took place.  

Those slaves (our elected, so us in affect) to the money coming from the Insurance Industry, who laid it out to Congress and selected to ignore the wishes of the people to simply make health care accessible to all citizens. That WAS the goal, wasn't it?  Well, we sure can't tell by what we got, can we?  

Brothers…..Sisters...….Educate thy selves……. Smiley

Moots; my version of the Affordable Health Care Act has the AHCA acronym.  Not sure which version you're looking at.  Maybe we're both being conned, heh?  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2013, 01:52:16 PM »

Even some of the Dems were bought off and forced into a yes vote. that poor ole Stupak guy form Mich. lost his whole carrier after the vote. I even felt alittle sorry for him.
It's funny how Libs are jumping ship now. Hope the lake wasn't froze when you jumped.

Oh yeah the lakes up here are all frozen right now.  Best fishing in the world IMO.  Caught cold and firm through the ice, filet on the spot, wrapped and placed in the cooler.  At home they're cooked while still icy cold…..nothing like it……IMO  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 02:13:36 PM »


Moots; my version of the Affordable Health Care Act has the AHCA acronym.  Not sure which version you're looking at.  Maybe we're both being conned, heh?  Smiley


T BEEK,
Would be interested to know what you're reading and where you got your version. Via Google, I can't find a single reference referring to this law as the "Affordable Health Care Act" or by the "AHCA" acronym you quote. Nor can I find them referenced as a known Nickname or Acronym....

Wiki Link to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

And as for all your "assumptions" as to what did or didn't happen in some back room meeting...One fact remains, without the VOTE, it's NOT LAW....PERIOD.   And the fact remains, NO..NONE..ZERO REPUBLICANS voted for it.




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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 05:55:06 PM »

No, Tbeek, my va is service connected. They did it to me, so they should pay. Nothing socialist there.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2013, 04:06:53 AM »

No, Tbeek, my va is service connected. They did it to me, so they should pay. Nothing socialist there.

Yeah, That's what I thought iddee.  I'm a 100% er myself, going from 50% to 100 in 2007 when I retired.  I have to ask you brother, sorry, but 'who' is the 'they' you always speak of? Are you speaking of being injured during combat or by being in the wrong place at the wrong time while in uniform?  Just curious.

Perhaps its an issue of differing definitions but VA Health care has often been described as a socialist style 'government run' program.  I'm not the first to recognize the similarities.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2013, 04:49:38 AM »


Moots; my version of the Affordable Health Care Act has the AHCA acronym.  Not sure which version you're looking at.  Maybe we're both being conned, heh?  Smiley


T BEEK,
Would be interested to know what you're reading and where you got your version. Via Google, I can't find a single reference referring to this law as the "Affordable Health Care Act" or by the "AHCA" acronym you quote. Nor can I find them referenced as a known Nickname or Acronym....

Wiki Link to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

And as for all your "assumptions" as to what did or didn't happen in some back room meeting...One fact remains, without the VOTE, it's NOT LAW....PERIOD.   And the fact remains, NO..NONE..ZERO REPUBLICANS voted for it.







My copy is from 2010.  Like I said, maybe (likely) we're both getting conned.  Perhaps our 'leaders' provide alternate versions just for disturbing the peace  laugh………..My point is that it isn't quite as one sided as 'we;ve been led to believe.  Deals were made behind our backs before the Bill was even presented to Congress….that's what we got.  If we can look through the fog of politics for a moment it might be seen for what it always was.  A gift to the Insurance Industry that provides nothing but profits from sick people.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 05:30:42 AM »

 :embarrassed: OOooops, I must admit to being in error and humbly offer my apology.  After digging around for a couple days I finally found my copy of the ACA, that's right, Moots was correct…this time  laugh  anyhow.

While the words on the cover refer to it as the Affordable Health Care Act, the acronym is in fact as Moots says…the ACA…..However,  laugh :laugh:I don't see the words Obamacare anywhere……. laugh  I wonder why no one, including me, never noticed that before and corrected me.  Sorry for the slight distraction  embarassed.

Can we go back to the 'real reasons' we have this law now and why I for one, believe it was doomed from the get go, and why we didn't get what the majority expected, accessible, affordable healthcare for all?  'Nit-pickin' the smaller details gets us nowhere man... Wink
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2013, 06:00:58 AM »

So you drag a young man from home by force or intimidation, "draft", send him into some godforsaken jungle to be damaged for life, then call his compensation a socialist handout? REALLY? I'm wondering about your 100% now. Was it physical, or otherwise?
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2013, 07:36:11 AM »

Like many from our particular era (add aging to old injuries) I have no bitterness from my experiences, only toward the 'system' that continues to put its people in harms way for the profits of the few.  That's not meant to discredit how you feel about your experience, I would never do that to you or anyone.  I'm just letting you know there is an 'alternative' viewpoint, probably many….as many as 2.5 million in our case, no?.

Lets just say I figured out who the real enemies (of the people) were/are while serving in Vietnam on behalf of the Military, Congressional, Industrial Complex and made the conscious decision there and then that I would "NEVER AGAIN" just accept such a wrong without a fight.  As an old man my only regret is that I didn't do more.

But to answer; I have complex issues relating to both physical and mental injuries, but was still able to maintain employment for over 40 years after the 'event (s)'.  I do spend time in a wheelchair these days and/or must use a cane to get around.  I also spend time in regular 'rap' sessions with my brothers (God Bless them) and must complete regular 'check ins' with VA's mental health personal.  Not sure if that's what you're looking for  huh   What 'are' you looking for iddee?

I;m looking for 'affordable, accessible healthcare for everyone.  My THREE HOUR, ONE WAY drive to the MPLS VA is affordable but hardly accessible.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2013, 08:45:17 AM »

""Like many from our particular era (add aging to old injuries) I have no bitterness from my experiences, only toward the 'system' that continues to put its people in harms way for the profits of the few.""

AMEN, BROTHER


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Good question. More posts, maybe. Entertainment? Escape from boredom?  I certainly don't expect to change the world on a bee forum.  That's why I can laugh with you and others, or at you and others. I'm just passing my time in this place, "called earth", before I go to a better place.

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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 02:42:56 PM »

Michelle Obama's Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the no-bid contract to

build the disastrous Obamacare website.


 



Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of '85, is senior vice president at Canadian company CGI Federal, which

earned the no-bid contract to build the so far costing $678 million Obamacare enrollment website atHealthcare.gov.



Townes-Whitley and his Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.


 



Toni Townes, Pricenton '85, is a onetime policy analyst with the General Accounting Office and previously served

in the Peace Corps in Gabon, West Africa.


 


George Schindler, the president of the CGI Federal's Canadian parent CGI Group, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.


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Soooooo...........


Let's see if we can connect the dots here ...

1.) No American companies considered for building Obamacare's website;

2.) CGI Federal was chosen by God knows which criteria and hired;

3.) CGI Federal was given a NO BID contract worth $93 million;


4.) A top executive at CGI Federal was a Princeton classmate of Michelle Obama;

5.) Previous company's experience was building a gun registry for the Canadian government;

6.) CGI Group was fired by Canadian Government for overruns that cost Canada $100 million;

4.) CGI has continued its practice of overruns as the Obamacare enrollment website has gone from $98 million to costing

       U.S. tax payers $678 million, and it's still going up.



Does this bother anybody else besides me?!?


 
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