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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2013, 12:38:59 AM »
Have you tried the Barnes TTSX? They really fly nice! The copper bullets though you need to go down one weight (so add some FPS). Nice thing about California banning everything is that they expand the market for the rest of us.  If you are talking about gun control try and buy primers.  That $0.03 part, critical to just about anything, is almost always out of stock.
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2013, 04:48:27 AM »
the new requirements would be extremely expensive with no guarantee that it would end there.  it just wasn't worth it.

the funny thing about this and other EPA crap is that it forces productions overseas where there are far fewer controls on pollution.  since most pollution is global (water, air, etc.) they have made the problem worse.  is this about pollution, or something else?

Its about turning fear into profits  ;)  That is the usual plan……..

China roles out another COAL PLANT about every 10 days or so.  Guess where their coal comes from.  That's right, the good old USA.  I WANT MY CUT!

Two weeks after burning it comes right back to us as pollution.  Warren Buffet (and others) is cleaning up  :roll: while our very future is compromised by todays profits.  And he's such a nice man  :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2013, 05:16:08 AM »
want another chilling thing coming down the pipe, check out the new EPA regs that they want on water. this is one of the many things that Harry has made easier with his changes in senate rules.  DC court has been holding some of this stuff back.  won't be anything to stop them now.
If the conservative miss big business pollution that much, maybe they should move to China and see what happens without an EPA to regulate profits over destruction.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/world/asia/china-beijing-smog-emergency-measures/

Funny to see you finally acknowledge pollution is GLOBAL :laugh:  Global like warming  ;)

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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2013, 05:24:41 AM »
WOW!  Just think if Walt Disney had had Blue's imagination?

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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2013, 05:34:03 AM »
I didn’t see pollution billowing from smoke stacks the last time I was at Disney, did you? 

Seems like you missed the whole concept behind his creation too  :'(

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2013, 05:38:11 AM »
WOW!  Just think if Walt Disney had had Blue's imagination?

:lau: :lau: :lau:

So what's the joke?  You think its funny that people choke on the air they must breathe?  Or is it funny that the 'fuel' that was supposed to save us (coal, OUR coal) is being sold out from under you?  

Wait…….you're turn (and mine) is coming, get your handkerchiefs ready  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Turn the channel Dude  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2013, 05:56:51 AM »
The joke is....

No matter how much clear evidence some people have to the contrary, they continue to think "Big Government" has all the answers and has the interest of the "little man" in mind.

and Blue turns to China to take a shot at conservatives.  :?  There no better example on Earth of Big Government, with the possible exception of the US under OBAMA  ;), then China.  And there's no group more anti big government than conservatives.

that's what I thought was funny!   :-D
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2013, 06:11:43 AM »
So…that's good to know Moots...…thanks for being honest enough to tell us that you can't be convinced by clear evidence.  What causes these irrational beliefs of yours then?  As a psychologist I'm deeply interested.  Really.

It might help if you actually read what others were saying or responding to instead of 'assuming' to 'know' and then going on the attack every time you 'think' someone is standing up for or somehow protecting  :roll: your favorite person to hate.  :-D

(It must be exhausting to have so much hate for another human).

I'm not laughing because its (you're ) not funny.
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2013, 06:39:00 AM »
I believe the biggest point about using lead for bullets is it is soft. Most other projectiles would wear out the barrel as it passes through. Lead isn't so hard on the twists in a barrel.



In case this point has already been made, I apologize. I just didn't want to read this thread again. :-P
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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2013, 06:39:29 AM »
The joke is....

No matter how much clear evidence some people have to the contrary, they continue to think "Big Government" has all the answers and has the interest of the "little man" in mind.

and Blue turns to China to take a shot at conservatives.  :?  There no better example on Earth of Big Government, with the possible exception of the US under OBAMA  ;), then China.  And there's no group more anti big government than conservatives.

that's what I thought was funny!   :-D

Conservatives-anti-BIG GOV?  Based on what EVIDENCE?  How do you think we got here if not with the help of so-called Conservatives ) who really only want to conserve their way of life and don't care about you or I).

Party politics has largely become obsolete IMO.  It gives both sides too little to actually do….and that my fellow BEEK is exactly the point.  

I also believe NATIONALISM has become obsolete (that'll get some dander up  :-D), ever sense developing the BOMB (S).  

One world is all we have and one world will be all that's left.  Unless and Until we collectively begin realizing that FACT we are doomed to these pointlessly divisive matters and NOTHING gets done, but as I said, that is the point.
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2013, 11:55:22 AM »
china, and many other countries, do burn our coal.  we have a lot of it.  unfortunately, as the coal business is shut down in this country, they will look for other sources.  those other sources are much dirtier than our coal.  not only have we destroyed a successful industry in this country, but we have contributed to global pollution by removing from the international markets, a good source of cleaner coal.

old Walt dug up many, many, acres of wetland in FL.  what he did then, he would never be able to do today.  swamp land for entertainment and tourism?  seems like a fair trade to me!

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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2013, 08:51:39 PM »
I hate Disney Land, and I really, really hate Mickey Mouse. He never ever returned any of my phone calls!
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2013, 06:51:37 AM »
china, and many other countries, do burn our coal.  we have a lot of it.  unfortunately, as the coal business is shut down in this country, they will look for other sources.  those other sources are much dirtier than our coal.  not only have we destroyed a successful industry in this country, but we have contributed to global pollution by removing from the international markets, a good source of cleaner coal.

old Walt dug up many, many, acres of wetland in FL.  what he did then, he would never be able to do today.  swamp land for entertainment and tourism?  seems like a fair trade to me!



The coal industry is a LONG ways from shut down.  In fact they're just gearing up and heading your direction kathyp.  Don't you know what's going on in your own backyard?  Also, the sub-bituminous coal we are digging up in SE Montana is some of the dirtiest coal on the planet, being sold to 'primarily' China for pennies on the dollar.    Due to its sulfurous toxicity its "illegal" to burn here in the Americas.   That's why there is such a rush to sell it while people are too dumb to know what's going on or how bad it actually is.  The ultimate capitalist venture run by capitalist Vultures……..

The whole operation is a farce being played on the world, involving Peabody Coal (the worlds largest coal producer) and our friend Mr. Buffet (who owns the majority of rail lines heading to the West Coast) who are determined to get Asia hooked on this crap while the price is still low (capitalism at its worse, or best depending on your perspective).  Both operations know full well that windburn ribbons of "LEAD", mercury and arsenic will be arriving to our shores from Asia after burning.  

Is this how capitalists recycle?   We will be getting some 'lead' back  :roll:

But wait, if these idiots have their way (and it seems like they will, thanks to idiots in the US Congress, and including the Pres  ;)) what is now the worlds biggest coal terminal in the world, BC's (Westshore) will be dwarfed by the terminal currently in the works in Washington State……The Gateway Pacific Terminal at Cherry Point.

US Coal and Natural Gas are being sold out from under the watch of the American people for dollars that belong to all of us, not just those profiting.  The resources in America rightfully belong to all Americans, yet 'we the people' receive no benefit at all and have pollution and terminal war (over the worlds resources) in our long term futures.  

Remember how we were told that digging for our own coal and gas was going to save us from our dependance on Middle East Oil?  Well, while we sleep or argue over our petty differences the 'profiteers' are definitely paying attention and for their own sinister plans can't seem to sell "OUR RESOURCES" fast enough.  

Where's 'our' cut of these profits?  What will we use to produce energy when its all promised out and/or gone?  Deals are being made behind our backs that will affect us all for generations…..if we survive.  When its gone its gone, and with rapid the expansion of Asian economies…….it won't be long, 'relatively' speaking  ;)   We'll either run out or we'll have created a planet unfit to live……..its getting closer every year.

Hey, now don't just believe me, check it out for yourselves.  There's ALOT more to discuss on this issue but this is enough for now.  HAPPY BREATHING  :-D
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2013, 06:35:14 PM »
This is one of the regular Youtubers I enjoy watching - they have hundreds of great videos, and here is their opinions on the lead situation - it is worth listening too.

There is another view I'm still looking for, I'll post if I find it.

Gun Gripes Episode 81: The Last Lead Smelter in the US

He does mention, what's next "stop making battleships?" I think he means carriers, but point taken.

I'll also soon post on the FAILURE of the EMALS (Electro-magnetic Assisted Launch System) promised to make steam catapults on carriers obsolete. This project, literally a few hundred feet to my power plant where we make steam to launch aircraft on 2 full scale Air Craft Carrier Deck Mock-ups: EMALS is over cost, over due (by YEARS) and Congressional funding is tired of excuses.

To put it in a few word, a couple billion dollars trying to make magnetic jet launch for TWO of our brand new dry-docked carriers, which are awaiting EMALS to work has just had a "count down timer" placed on it: congress has said MAKE EMALS WORK or SCRAP IT - meaning carriers designed to have a modular EMALS block placed into the decks will need to be refitted to once again use STEAM to launch jets from new carrier decks. Seems that magnetism messes with the electronics of the jets and has other serious issues that seemingly cannot be debugged. As always, if it ain't broke, fix it - billions and it likely will never be used in active duty.

But.... that's another topic :)
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2013, 07:42:10 PM »
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Where's 'our' cut of these profits?

you mean besides jobs, taxes paid, etc?  i don't know...ask the Dakotas where their cut is.  looks like good times for them.  perhaps the "cut" is commensurate to the risk taken?
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Re: bye bye lead
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2013, 12:37:34 AM »
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The coal industry is a LONG ways from shut down.  In fact they're just gearing up and heading your direction kathyp.  Don't you know what's going on in your own backyard?  Also, the sub-bituminous coal we are digging up in SE Montana is some of the dirtiest coal on the planet, being sold to 'primarily' China for pennies on the dollar.    Due to its sulfurous toxicity its "illegal" to burn here in the Americas.   That's why there is such a rush to sell it while people are too dumb to know what's going on or how bad it actually is.  The ultimate capitalist venture run by capitalist Vultures……..

The whole operation is a farce being played on the world, involving Peabody Coal (the worlds largest coal producer) and our friend Mr. Buffet (who owns the majority of rail lines heading to the West Coast) who are determined to get Asia hooked on this crap while the price is still low (capitalism at its worse, or best depending on your perspective).  Both operations know full well that windburn ribbons of "LEAD", mercury and arsenic will be arriving to our shores from Asia after burning.  

Is this how capitalists recycle?   We will be getting some 'lead' back  :roll:

But wait, if these idiots have their way (and it seems like they will, thanks to idiots in the US Congress, and including the Pres  ;)) what is now the worlds biggest coal terminal in the world, BC's (Westshore) will be dwarfed by the terminal currently in the works in Washington State……The Gateway Pacific Terminal at Cherry Point.

US Coal and Natural Gas are being sold out from under the watch of the American people for dollars that belong to all of us, not just those profiting.  The resources in America rightfully belong to all Americans, yet 'we the people' receive no benefit at all and have pollution and terminal war (over the worlds resources) in our long term futures.  

Remember how we were told that digging for our own coal and gas was going to save us from our dependance on Middle East Oil?  Well, while we sleep or argue over our petty differences the 'profiteers' are definitely paying attention and for their own sinister plans can't seem to sell "OUR RESOURCES" fast enough.  

Where's 'our' cut of these profits?  What will we use to produce energy when its all promised out and/or gone?  Deals are being made behind our backs that will affect us all for generations…..if we survive.  When its gone its gone, and with rapid the expansion of Asian economies…….it won't be long, 'relatively' speaking  ;)   We'll either run out or we'll have created a planet unfit to live……..its getting closer every year.

Hey, now don't just believe me, check it out for yourselves.  There's ALOT more to discuss on this issue but this is enough for now.  HAPPY BREATHING  :-D

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Where's 'our' cut of these profits?

you mean besides jobs, taxes paid, etc?  i don't know...ask the Dakotas where their cut is.  looks like good times for them.  perhaps the "cut" is commensurate to the risk taken?
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2013, 12:45:57 AM »
Did you need more?   I was trying to cut through the hot air fog.  ;)
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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2013, 01:02:10 AM »
I don't. TBeek probably.

Beemaster - the Gun Gripes guys tell it pretty straight. I've watched most of their videos over the last year, tons of cool stuff. Cut shells may be my favorite.  I know, completely off topic. Carry on.
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2013, 05:52:06 AM »
Oooops, thought I was on an open forum (for open minds).  Sorry for fogging/clouding/confusing your days with little doses of sunshine based reality. 

I've wasted enough time around here, I have politicians to agitate……(they can be evasive, narrow and rude too, but at least they're brave enough to do it to 'your' face).
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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2013, 09:38:36 PM »
I merely suggest tackling one point at a time. Was that evasive, narrow and rude?
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