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« on: November 12, 2013, 04:55:10 PM »

 
By Wayne Allyn Root
 
There are two major political parties in America. I’m a member of the naïve, stupid, and cowardly one. I’m a Republican.
How stupid is the GOP? They still don’t get it.
I told them 5 years ago, 2 books ago, a national bestseller ago ("The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide"), and in hundreds of articles and commentaries, that ObamaCare was never meant to help America, or heal the sick, or lower healthcare costs, or lower the debt, or expand the economy.
The GOP needs to stop calling ObamaCare a “trainwreck.” That means it’s a mistake, or accident. That means it’s a gigantic flop, or failure. It’s NOT.
This is a brilliant, cynical, and purposeful attempt to damage the U.S. economy, kill jobs, and bring down capitalism.
It’s not a failure, it’s Obama’s grand success! 
It's not a “trainwreck,” ObamaCare is a suicide attack. He wants to hurt us, to bring us to our knees, to capitulate- so we agree under duress to accept big government.
Obama’s hero and mentor was Saul Alinsky -- a radical Marxist intent on destroying capitalism. Alinksky’s stated advice was to call the other guy “a terrorist” to hide your own intentions.
To scream that the other guy is “ruining America,” while you are the one actually plotting the destruction of America. To claim again and again…in every sentence of every speech…that you are “saving the middle class,” while you are busy wiping out the middle class.
The GOP is so stupid they can’t see it. There are no mistakes here. This is a planned purposeful attack.
The tell-tale sign isn’t the disastrous start to ObamaCare. Or the devastating effect the new taxes are having on the economy. Or the death of full-time jobs. Or the overwhelming debt. Or the dramatic increases in health insurance rates. Or the 70% of doctors now thinking of retiring- brining on a healthcare crisis of unimaginable proportions. Forget all that.
The real sign that this is a purposeful attack upon capitalism is how many Obama administration members and Democratic Congressmen are openly calling Tea Party Republicans and anyone who wants to stop ObamaCare “terrorists."
There’s the clue. Even the clueless GOP should be able to see that.
They are calling the reasonable people…the patriots…the people who believe in the Constitution ... the people who believe exactly what the Founding Fathers believed…the people who want to take power away from corrupt politicians who have put America $17 trillion in debt…terrorists?
That’s because they are Saul Alinsky-ing the GOP. The people trying to purposely hurt America, capitalism and the middle class…are calling the patriots by a terrible name to fool, confuse and distract the public.
ObamaCare is a raving, rollicking, fantastic success. Stop calling it a failure. Here is what it was created to do. It is succeeding on all counts:
1. ObamaCare was intended to bring about the Marxist dream -- redistribution of wealth.  Rich people, small business owners, and the middle class are being robbed, so that the money can be redistributed to poor people (who vote for Democrats).
Think about it. If you’re rich or middle class, you now have to pay for your own health care costs (at much higher rates) AND 40 million other people’s costs too (through massive tax increases).  So you’re stuck paying for both bills. You are left broke.  Brilliant.
2. ObamaCare was intended to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on government.  Think about it. Even Obama’s IRS predicts that health insurance for a typical American family by 2016 will be $20,000 per year. But how would middle class Americans pay that bill and have anything left for food or housing or living? People that make $40K, or $50K, or $60K can’t possibly hope to spend $20K on health insurance without becoming homeless.
BINGO! That’s how you make middle class people dependent on government. That’s how you make everyone addicted to government checks. Brilliant.
3. As a bonus, ObamaCare is intended to kill every decent paying job in the economy, creating only crummy, crappy part-time jobs.  Why? Just to make sure the middle class is trapped, with no way out. Just to make sure no one has the $20,000 per year to pay for health insurance, thereby guaranteeing they become wards of the state. Brilliant.
4. ObamaCare is intended to bankrupt small business, and therefore starve donations to the GOP.  Think about it. Do you know a small business owner? I know hundreds of them. Their rates are being doubled, tripled and quadrupled by ObamaCare. Guess who writes 75% of the checks to Republican candidates and conservative causes? The GOP.
Even if a small business owner manages to survive, he or she certainly can’t write a big check to the GOP anymore. Money is the “mother’s milk” of politics. Without donations, a political party ceases to exist. Bingo!
That’s the point of ObamaCare. Obama is bankrupting his political opposition and drying up donations to the GOP. Brilliant.
5. ObamaCare is intended to make the IRS all-powerful.  It adds thousands of new IRS agents. It puts the IRS in charge of overseeing 15% of the U.S. economy. The IRS has the right, because of ObamaCare, to snoop into every aspect of your life, to go into your bank accounts, to fine you, to frighten you, to intimidate you. And Obama and his socialist cabal have access to your deepest medical secrets.
By law your doctor has to ask your sexual history. That information is now in the hands of Obama and the IRS to blackmail GOP candidates into either not running, or supporting bigger government, or leaking the info and ruining your campaign.
Or have you forgotten the IRS harassed, intimidated and persecuted critics of Obama and conservative groups?
Now Obama hands the IRS even more power. Big Brother rules our lives. Brilliant!
6. ObamaCare is intended to unionize 15 million healthcare workers.
That produces $15 billion in new union dues. That money goes to fund Democratic candidates and socialist causes -- thereby guaranteeing Obama’s friends never lose another election, and Obama’s policies keep ruining capitalism and bankrupting business owners long after he’s out of office.
Message to the GOP: This isn’t a game. This isn’t tiddly-winks. This is a serious, purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism.
This isn’t a trainwreck. It's purposeful suicide!
It's not failing, it's working exactly according to plan. Obama knows what he’s doing. Stop apologizing and start fighting.
Oh and one more thing…Conservatives aren’t “terrorists.” We are patriots and saviors. We represent the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. We are the heroes and good guys.  Unless you get all this through your thick skulls, get off your butt's and sound off, America is lost…FOREVER !!!...
 
 

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 08:24:52 PM »

read that earlier.  pretty much lays it out, doesn't it?
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 09:38:27 PM »



   I saw the writing on the wall BEFORE he got elected the first time.. which was why i was absolutely certain he would NEVER get elected..    It didnt take much investigation.. ( about 4 minutes worth) to see that this person should NEVER have been allowed to even RUN for president...   
   I honestly believe that the people who voted for him TWICE had NO idea what they were doing...  I have to believe that.. It is the only hope I have left..
   I have a cousin living in California I have always argued with over party/candidates..
   To this VERY moment, He believes that all is WELL and is going to get better.. BECAUSE of Obama and his policies...   NOTHING.. N O T H I N G     I say, or do, will convince him of the looming disaster...   He is a BLOOMING IDIOT, and he is not alone... there are Hundreds of thousands of people who live in the cities who think JUST like he does. Brainwashed and unable to see their own hand in front of their face..   They are the people who would step over thousands of dead bodies just to tell you that there was No MURDER problem in their City, and BELIEVE in their hearts what they were saying..    They CANT see it, and OUR votes are not powerful enough to over ride theirs...
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 10:23:25 PM »

but you see, many of us do not believe he is an idiot.  we believe he knows exactly what he, and his friends, are doing.  none of this is an accident.  he has been blessed with the perfect convergence of events....and luck, to press the leftist agenda as it has never been pressed.

you may be right about many not understanding what he's doing, but when you get this many people getting "stuff" from the govenrment, they really don't care.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 06:16:50 AM »

Ok, here's what I don't understand. I agree it is going according exactly to plan. But where do they think the money is going to come from to pay the "poor" if the rest of us are broke? By the way, poor people don't have or need cell phones that link to the internet. Poor people don't wear name brand clothes. Poor people don't get their hair and nails done at a salon. Poor people would not be able to drive their new cars to resturants and eat out every day. Poor people don't pay for their t-bone steaks, ribs and prepackaged food(more expensive) with a government card and then pay cash for $100 worth of cigarettes and beer.
 We used to never even consider going to the Emergency room. Today it is really nothing more that a doctor visit to a lot of people. There are peple who actually list an ER physician as their primary care physician. These are the people you can thank for clogging up the system while you wait in the ER lobby for 6 hours while they get their toe fungus looked at. Do you know how expensive an ER visit is?? Thousands more than a routine visit to a regular M.D. But we see the same people over and over without reguard to cost. What these people don't realize is what the future holds for them. Here's the way I see it. Down the road, and not very far, you are going to be sort of triaged as to your worth so to speak. If you are wealthy, you will be seen first at any doctors office. If you work, have good credit, only see the doctor occasionally, and generally contribute to society as a whole in some way, you will be seen and treated within 2 to 6 months. If you see multiple doctors, complain too much, demand too much, live off the government and contribute nothing but a vote, you may be seen within the year. Forget about treatment, surgeries other than those to save your vote(I mean life) won't happen. Somehow these same people will be made to feel good about it. When the government takes total control of healthcare, they decide who gets cancer treatments, who has surgery, who gets pain meds and who needs a one time large dose of whatever to put them completely and forever out of pain(you'll have no choice in the matter). I have yet to meet a person working in healthcare that thinks Obamacare is a good idea. Nothing is free!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2013, 06:18:32 AM »

so did you buy his book(s) Iddee?  or did you simply snip this from some other source?

I will not attempt to point out the obvious conflicting notions in the attached screech.  Quite evidently if you buy into this then no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise (in academic circles we might say you have 'bought into' this idea).  At that point neither logic nor evidence nor facts will stand against your own OPINION <and this ain't really so much a right or left thing as much as it is a human behavior thing.

I can see that you have this large and obvious bias toward working people organizing in the form of unions?  So why is it ok for business to be organized or doctors to organize and not for labor to be organized?  What in your experience gives you the idea that working folks cannot be trusted or allowed to have some control over their working environment but that doctors and business folks should not be constrained in any way no matter what they might conspire to do?

I do notice that it seems that conservatives seem to have no faith in the fellow citizens and always jump to the conclusion first (and with NO evidence) that anyone that doesn't believe just like them has in some form or fashion evil intentions or is evidently of limited IQ?  What is it with that?
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2013, 08:08:18 AM »

Unions and government are like alcohol. Under small amounts and strict control, they are great. When unleashed and over used, the are a horrific, havoc wreaking menace. In the US, like France, unions grew totally out of control. Now the government is getting too close to the same. It's time to rein them in. Those who can't see that will pay the price.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2013, 08:40:39 AM »

I do notice that it seems that conservatives seem to have no faith in the fellow citizens and always jump to the conclusion first (and with NO evidence) that anyone that doesn't believe just like them has in some form or fashion evil intentions or is evidently of limited IQ?

   NO evidence???   Really?? 

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2013, 09:04:04 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2013, 11:16:27 AM »

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I will not attempt to point out the obvious conflicting notions in the attached screech.

then why bother to post your drivel?  just so you can tell us again how very smart you are, and the we below you can't possibly understand the enlightened prose ready to burst from your fingertips?
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2013, 12:40:43 PM »

>>I will not attempt to point out the obvious conflicting notions in the attached screech.  Quite evidently if you buy into this then no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise (in academic circles we might say you have 'bought into' this idea).  At that point neither logic nor evidence nor facts will stand against your own OPINION <and this ain't really so much a right or left thing as much as it is a human behavior thing.
 evil If anything has ever been said that sums up the Obama worshipers this is it. WTG tecumseh
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2013, 07:36:15 AM »

a snip...
NO evidence???   Really?? 

tecumseh...
so my conclusion is correct and still no eviddence!

another snip...
then why bother to post your drivel?

tecumseh...
well in passing thru here (like any proper cat I do lurk here and there from time to time) I noticed that this place had gotten a bit boring since you BRILLIANT conservatives had the stage all to yourself... seems the THREAD KILLER come thru on occasions and runs off anyone that might provide even a bit of informative or colorful dialogue.  just tryin' to liven the place up a bit.... I though it would be terrible if folks finally figured out you were just as well served to set in the corner and simply talk to yourself.

another snip..
just so you can tell us again how very smart you are

tecumseh...
I think I have had this conversation with Iddee before.... not sure how you might come to that conclusion???  again I think you are projecting quite a bit here... seems to be your most predicable habit.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2013, 10:25:20 AM »

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While you are around here driveling can you tell us why OBAMA CARE is so great for all us middle class folks. And why it is so good that my insurance cost and most everybody's insurance cost is going to be much more then it was before.  Cause  Obama Care is what this thread is about.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2013, 08:20:02 AM »

sorry you were not paying attention here Sterling but actually the thread was suppose to be about the 'article' that iddee posted.  <for me this means does this tirade seem balance and are his points well made or largely constructed from thin air. < I suspect that a short glimpse at the author's resume would have likely answered these questions.

as far as I can tell all these sorts of threads can get off tract abit... kind of a human characteristic even in a casual conversation, as far as I can tell.  I do it, others do it... don't really bother me that much.... often times kind of revealing as to what is really on folks minds (perhaps even more so than what they wrote about the topic).

actually the program is called the Affordable Health Care Act.  the name should speak for itself. 

I think it was Jesus himself who suggested it was every christian's duty to feed the hungry and care for the sick < of course for some folks it is fine to talk that talk but never walk that walk.

there are also quite obvious structural demographic changes in our society which leads me to believe that there are larger problems in not doing anything at all.  inability to compete on the world stage economically being the most obvious 'in your face' problem.  secondarily you seem to have globalized you own experience that a rise in your own health insurance means the same applies to everyone else.  < sounds to be a large quantity of me, me, me taking place here and not much reflection on what is 'the best' for the we.

I am wondering what all the nay sayer here liked about the old system so much?   if you were insured was it the high price (2X the world average) or the lack of quality in care (very well documented) that really made you LOVE that system so much?  Or perhaps it was the fact that any medical problem could and would leave you bankrupt < perhaps I am the only one here who has directly experience under the old system where by folks you know or family members who worked extremely hard ALL THEIR LIVES only to have some medical emergency in the last few days of their lives take every asset that had (and quite often times they either died anyway or died shortly after penny less in some nursing home).

under the old system there was a large difference in the product sold based solely on whether you were buying the insurance individually or as the member of a group.  insurance itself was also not a good measure of whether you would or would not receive good care < some evidence did suggest that folks with 'gold' programs did have a good possibility of being victimized by the system.  if you purchased insurance as an individual then almost by definition you had no idea what you had bought until you needed that service and at the first modest medical crises you were then defined with a preexisting condition and at this point the insurance folks could charge you whatever they wanted. 

so once again... what in the old system did you like so well? < I am being quite serious here.... I would like to know what in that system was so appealing.

 
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2013, 08:40:55 AM »

Excellent points tecumseh  cool

Perhaps you've raised an 'out' for the WH.  They could let all those who don't like the AHCA keep their old 'junk' Insurance and then DEAL with it when they get sick….

I like it!
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2013, 09:00:17 AM »

Nobody is saying the old way didn't need fixing, but to save a man from drowning, you shouldn't push him further under water.
So a family had just enough income from wages to make it by, then along comes afhc and they now go under and become welfare recipients. I truly believe this is part of the plan. Make all dependent on the gov for part or all of your needs. Then the populace is totally under control. We weren't born with nerve endings to be totally free of pain.Some things in life are tough and folks should be ready for it. No gov. or any other institution can make everyone completely happy,healthy, and comfortable. Everyone has to share some pain. 47% of the people DON'T need gov.assistance, and I will never believe they do. Cut the handouts to about 5 or 10 percent of the populace and it may be received a bit more readily by those working to support the financial end of it.


" They could let all those who don't like the AHCA keep their old 'junk' Insurance and then DEAL with it when they get sick…."

CHOICE. That's the way it should be.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2013, 09:38:12 AM »

People who work for someone else contribute 1.45% of their income toward medicare, the self-employed pay double that. 

How many wouldn't be willing to pay say 5% of their income (ALL Income, NO deductions) so there could be medicare for all and we could get back to trying to create a better world?  I feel confidant that it would be a large number.

This consideration was eliminated, ignoring the desires of many, from all aspects of the negotiations that took place before the law was ever enacted, a 'huge' gift to the insurance industry ( who provides nothing really) and those who want to continue receiving the campaign cash from them in order to successfully run their elections.  To ever imply that there were no negotiations (which some now claim) during the formation of the AHCA ignores what actually happened….most of it behind closed doors.

Personally I think everyone should have the same or similar access to health care I receive from the VA, and was totally disappointed when it was completely taken off the list of options.  No wonder the AHCA is in the mess it is, it was designed to be that way……..from the start.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2013, 01:26:53 PM »

Are you really naive enough to think that 1.45 % actually covers the money spent for medicare alone, not even considering the millions more tax monies spent for medicaid? We are likely paying closer to 10% of our income to pay for other people's medical.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2013, 02:18:56 PM »

Now I'm really confused  Undecided  So are you saying that you 'like it or prefer it' that way?  You like paying that 10%?  Instead of 'everyone' paying 5%?  Even the 'poor' (those that work) pay into medi-care, you know that right?   Only the wealthy get over paying less because they don't pay on "UNEARNED" income.

I'm confused…not the first time, so bare with me.  

Do you know why AHCA is so complex?   It was designed to be, so as much of our money could be squeezed out of us while the Insurance Industry could continue 'pretending' to offer some kind of service, called 'health care' while they rake in the dough we could have better used for…..HEALTH CARE!   I know, what a concept, heh?  

It remains one of the greatest scams conducted upon the American people.  Look up "Nixon and HMO's"  sometime to see how the rails were greased on behalf of the Industry in the early 70's setting the stage for this latest big rip-off.  That's where the mess began.  

With Single Payer that would all end.  Ahhhhhhhhh  Smiley  How do 'you' spell relief?  Wink

iddee;  Can you not understand or entertain the idea that A Single Payer System as I 'tried' to explain above would eliminate the 'alleged' costs you just cited, along with the crooks we now know as the Health Insurance Industry.  I want to put them out of business and I'm hardly alone.  I am confidant that very scenario is in our near future.  A win-win for America.

Those currently employed in the insurance industry could get jobs in Health CARE.  "We all need them" and since they already know the lingo, its an easy fit.

If the AHCA has taught us anything its that we should have demanded medi-care for all in the first place………its coming though.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2013, 06:59:56 PM »

Where did you get it that I"like" it.I only said it because it's true, not that I like it. What I said was, your 1.45 % was WAAAAYYYY off the mark. I said the system was broke, but the way they are doing it isn't going to fix it. It will only make it worse.
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2013, 10:41:23 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2013, 04:50:08 AM »

iddee;  Do you EVER read what you send?  We've been through all this kinda crap before, digressing into replies that instead of addressing the content, condemn the poster.  

I'll bet I've asked you over 100 direct questions over the last 3-4 years.  You 'might' have actually answered one or two……so quite honestly I don;t think you do read what you send, nor do you read what you're responding to.  Now we're getting to the FEELINGS……….. shocked

Well, no one can say I didn't try to shine a little light around here.  iddee, you've convinced me yet again (not the first time) that there is little use to anyone trying to 'broaden or deepen' these discussions.  You (and a handful of others) don't really want to 'discuss or debate' anything or even try to find some common ground, do you?

Choosing sides, that's where your head (and typing fingers) is at, no?  If that's a wrong assumption you;ll have to prove it.  I'll wait…………………….  

COFFEE HOUSE redundantly shows us time and again that some posters simply lack the ability or the desire to actually read, absorb and respectfully address another posters comment.  Grade school behavior kicks in with any 'presumed' challenge to………….the bubble  Wink

I guess this place deserves to be left to the thick………. grin with the thick……. grin

"Truth depends on where you stand"

"If you stand for 'nothing' you'll fall for anything"         ( Examples of falling for anything are plentiful around this place.  It'd be entertaining if not so sad).

Like it or not iddee, I'm still your brother…………. cool
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2013, 04:59:24 AM »

Where did you get it that I"like" it.I only said it because it's true, not that I like it. What I said was, your 1.45 % was WAAAAYYYY off the mark. I said the system was broke, but the way they are doing it isn't going to fix it. It will only make it worse.

1.45% for medicare is what is the 'taken out of everyones paycheck' iddee.  If more was taken from you then you got screwed worse than anyone else I know  Wink.  No wonder you're so angry, now it makes a little sense  Undecided

Ummmm a question?  What's YOUR plan?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2013, 10:32:03 AM »

"" some posters simply lack the ability or the desire to actually read, absorb and respectfully address another posters comment.""

I think That's our problem, Tbeek. You and I don't transport our true thoughts over to each other in print. I answer nearly all your questions. Maybe I don't realize what you are asking, or you don't understand my answer, but it is there.

If the 1.45 % totaled, let's just say, 50 million annually, but the gov was paying out, let's say, 125 million annually for medicare, where did the rest come from?

""try to find some common ground, do you?""
There's another difference in us. No, I'm not trying to find common grounds, I'm trying to see your thoughts and show mine. I don't expect either to change one iota from reading something a total stranger posted on some forum.

No, not angry. Just failing to understand.

Coffee pot is still on and will be when you come by.
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2013, 05:55:23 AM »

A hypothetical question?  Based on a fantasy?  I try to discuss facts not fiction, especially fiction that simply spreads hate, fear and division.

I must disagree about 'our' problem iddee, I think we both 'transport' our true thoughts very well.  Where we part ways is the "content" of your many posts which are more often than not filled with half-truths, disdain toward others and outright lies. 

All of that comes through loud and clear and TBH it breaks my heart.

There remain several 'unanswered questions on this thread alone (and going back a few years) so the proclamation that you've answered nearly all of my questions has no evidence to substantiate such a claim.

Personally, I stopped hating 'people' and began hating 'ideas' over 40 years ago during that stupid war in S/E Asia we both participated in. 

Some might call that emotional maturity.  Take care Brother…………...

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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2013, 06:48:51 AM »

a snip..
Nobody is saying the old way didn't need fixing, but to save a man from drowning, you shouldn't push him further under water.

tecumseh...
I agree.  However at some point you have to pretty much figure that doing absolutely nothing in regards to an obviously broken system is not such a good decision path either.  <of course for the insurance sales people the doctors and the dentist the system was working quite nicely.
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2013, 06:27:27 PM »

>>sorry you were not paying attention here Sterling but actually the thread was suppose to be about the 'article' that iddee posted.  <for me this means does this tirade seem balance and are his points well made or largely constructed from thin air. < I suspect that a short glimpse at the author's resume would have likely answered these questions

The subject of the thread is Why Obama Care is a fantastic success!
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2013, 06:35:47 PM »

>>I think it was Jesus himself who suggested it was every christian's duty to feed the hungry and care for the sick < of course for some folks it is fine to talk that talk but never walk that walk.

Jesus was not telling the Government to take money away from the people and give to other people who didn't work. Which is what Obama Care does. He is telling the INDIVIDUAL PERSON to help others. We are told if a man doesn't work then don't give him food.
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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2013, 06:45:25 PM »

>>so once again... what in the old system did you like so well? < I am being quite serious here.... I would like to know what in that system was so appealing.

 The main thing I liked about the old system was: when myself or one of my family members had an illness we could go to the Dr. of our choice immediately and get treated. In the Obama Care way that very well may not happen.

Like I have said before "If Obama Care is so great for all the people why is Obama and his family and his staff and Congress and their families and staff exempted from taking part in it. It's such ashamed they can't enjoy all these great benefits.
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