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« on: February 11, 2014, 11:19:23 PM »

I just watched a Youtube video about a Top Bar hive built to accept a Langstroth body stacked on top. Seems like an interesting concept.  What is everyone's thoughts.  Link to the video to follow soon.
http://youtu.be/k0BT2bfr-aM
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 06:45:10 AM »

My thoughts:
http://bushfarms.com/beeshorizontalhives.htm
http://bushfarms.com/beestopbarhives.htm#ttbh
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 08:26:55 AM »

I built a TBH last year. My first bees went in there, and I love working it. Unfortunately, I built the hive with Top Bars closer to 16 inches long, per another site's plans. My lang frames won't fit if I need them...Anyway, this idea has had my attention for months. It's interesting. For me, this would probably be the direction to go if the bees were expanding to the point where they were running out of room in the horizontal box. Add a medium super to give them more room. If you don't build your horizontal box long enough, you have a way to give more room. This has been a slight drawback when comparing langs with TBH. With a lang, you can just throw another super on. With this idea, now you can do the same with a TBH.
 
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 08:56:53 AM »

I just watched a Youtube video about a Top Bar hive built to accept a Langstroth body stacked on top.


I'm no expert, but allow me to comment.

In order to accept the super, this guy had to use top-bars with gaps between them.  One of the [usual] principles of top-bar beekeeping is the fact that the bars have no spaces between them.  This preserves nest climate better, does not alert the bees when you take off the lid, and makes a crown board entirely superfluous.  Having gaps between the top-bars negates all of this.

I suppose one can use mostly closed top-bars and use a gapped top-bar every 5 or 10 bars, and still get the bees to "go up" into the super.  Just hope the queen doesn't accidentally go into the super, or else she won't find her way back down again.  So, nothing wrong with using a queen excluder in such a scenario, then.

Since this guy's supers take the same frame/top-bar size as the top-bar hive itself, he had to make the top-bars shorter than the width of the trunk of the top-bar hive.  This is also rather unusual for a top-bar hive -- most top-bar hives have top-bars that are longer than the trunk is wide (this makes inspecting and manipulating the frames easier, and it makes the crown board unnecessary).

Essentially this guy doesn't have a classic "Kenyan" top-bar hive.  What's he's got is a Langstroth hive with sloping sides in the bottom box and no frames in the bottom box.  There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but I don't see how he would be able to practice standard top-bar beekeeping in it.



I visited those two pages, but I can't find anything on them related to twd72's question.  Could you tell us here, in a little more detail, please?
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 01:57:32 PM »

Mr. Bush's pictures show us how he uses supers on top of some of his TBH.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 01:58:58 PM »

>>I just watched a Youtube video about a Top Bar hive built to accept a Langstroth body stacked on top.
>I visited those two pages, but I can't find anything on them related to twd72's question.

That's what this is:
http://bushfarms.com/beeshorizontalhives.htm

You can run it with Langstroth frames or top bars.  You can stack Langstroth supers on top or not.

And there is a bit more information about using it as a top bar hive and managing a horizontal hive that can take Langstroth frames or top bars here:
http://bushfarms.com/beestopbarhives.htm#ttbh
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