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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2013, 09:08:26 AM »

First, Finski. Great video. Very funny.

Second, <There is a very good reason why we have 2 ears, 2 eyes and ONLY ONE MOUTH.  Do I need to say what the reason is?>
T Beek her saying was "Son, God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason..Your supposed to listen twice as much as you speak" that was usually accompanied by the whole, "Keep your mouth shut and appear a fool, Open you mouth and remove all doubt" lesson. I really miss hearing that, She never tired.

You ever heard this one in Finland, Finski?

I go to "Coffee House" now.
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2013, 09:51:33 AM »

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No I have not. We do not talk too much.
If we speak, we speak only usefull things.

"Speaking is silver but silence is gold" is our top ten.

What you need to know about Americans

1) Hello speaking
2) Rubbish speaking
3) Jokes speaking

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10) Hard  guy in selling and marketing

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about Finnish

1) We say nothing before a cup of coffee

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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2013, 11:12:48 AM »

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It's nice to know that  Finski and T Beek have the only correct methods of keeping bees




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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2013, 11:42:22 AM »

What makes me ask this is I went to a guys house to inspect his bees yesterday. He got them last spring and has read little and know little about bees. I went in his hive last May he has not been in them again till yesterday. Needless to say everything was glued together real bad.
But the hive was perfect, good stores, saw the Q, brood, egg and lots of bees.

I have had all kinds of issues with my 6 hives this year so what the hick, should we just stop going in to inspect? I told him he was just lucky this year and needs to keep a eye on them, but I have to say his hive looked good.

dan

dan,

his hive looks great, but it would have been even better if he had inspected it. Maybe he has it in a great area and the hive would have yielded a nice surplus for him if he had checked to see if he needed to put extra supers on. Maybe the hive started queen cells and swarmed - and he missed on some ready-made splits from this awesome queen that he had lucked on. No way to know unless he inspected.

He also may have opened the box and found a big mess of wax moth and SHB if the virgin failed to mate (they do fail about 30% of the time)

Bottom line is - inspections are necessary.
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2013, 01:12:16 PM »

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Aw C'mon Jim, you'll have to show me where I've ever said that............ huh. Smiley  You haven't read my best stuff  Cry

I believe there is no 'one correct method' for beekeeping (best procedures for specific regions is another story), this forum proves it over and over and over............ Wink 

My methods have experienced several evolutions since 1974 and will likely....hopefully, continue until I'm dead.
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2013, 01:22:33 PM »

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Inspect or not. Answer is very simple: you inpect when needed

I have known 30 years a lady near my cottage - 5 km  away, And she nurse her 10 hives so that she add boxes, but not much do any real inspections, like queen cells, more room, extract anf give room. And no swarming control tasks. No queen breeding. Just swarming queens.


She lost most of the colonies every summer when 2 swarms  went to tree tops. And she does not live in his cottage and is not all the time watching swarms. She got only some swarms back.

Reason is that she has no muscles enough to lift heavy langstroth boxes. It is common among lady beekeepers.

I retired and I thought that I have time to help in her jobs:

- look in spring, that hive and brooding is OK, and take too much winter food away
- clip queen wings
- follow swarming fever = queen cells
- if queen cells, make false swarm
- unite later false swarm and  brood hive
- take care that brood hive does not swarm
- add boxes in order: brood boxes, added empty boxes and then honey boxes with stuff
- give foundation boxes to draw (2 boxes a year, about)
- take capped honey off, and move empty frames over the brood-
- cleaning the whole hive if it has too much rippen honey, like 3 boxes

- queenless hives, or angry hives: give a new mated queen

and so on........

Now, during 3 last years she have got 60-80 kg honey. Her hives are so tall that she need ladder to nurse them.

Bees are really calm, compared to 5 y ago. Every angry queen will be flat, when she notices the problem


She get a good money from that honey. She is mere smile.

She feed the hives well herself and add thymol for varroa. The yeard goes well.

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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2013, 06:47:22 PM »

 Just read the lasts 45 posts on this thread  shocked .  Now you can make your own decision.





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« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2013, 07:56:40 PM »



MERINCE -I agree and by the number of bees in May and the number now I'm sure they swarmed more that once. I'm convinced if he keeps going like this he will not stay in the hobby long. I don't mind helping and it makes me feel good to give him a hand and share what little I know (I remind him I'm just into this 2 years myself) I have 7 hives so I have to put a effort in learning. I pick up a little from ALMOST everyone.

First thing I learned (within 2 months) was every beek has a different way of beekeeping and passing it along. Some will take the aproach of: this is what I learned, this has worked for me or this did not work for me. another aproach: This is how to do in, what I do works, what he does will not work.

Both are saying the same thing, just different aproaches from different personalities with bees in different places and thats ok.


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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2013, 08:53:52 PM »

my head hurts
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2013, 02:14:10 AM »

my head hurts

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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2013, 04:50:30 AM »

WOW! 

It might be helpful if all readers and especially those who are posting a response actually read what they were commenting on.........you know who you are Wink Well maybe.... Undecided

If we can't take the time to actually absorb another's thoughts 'in writing' on a forum w/out getting all worked up and offended there's little hope we could ever do so face to face, not a very promising future, heh?

There is a very good reason why we have 2 ears, 2 eyes and ONLY ONE MOUTH.  Do I need to say what the reason is?

Zip em up Boys  grin   Someone start another thread PLEASE!


Hasn't this gone on long enough?  This thread is like a ball of confusion.
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2013, 04:50:38 AM »

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Yes, I have seen that if some is going to do stupid thing in forum, you are not allowed to stop him.
You are then trouple maker.  You may write all kind of rubbish and admin says that "this is not an academy. Let the folks keep their faith.

I really cry when I see those newspaper-sugar things.

Beeks save inspections but they do much things which are never needed.


The most awfull are ideas when California and Florida  gives  wintering advices to Michigan.

USA, great country - great tolerances.

Funniest thing what I have met is to make 1:2 syrup to bees. Because you are not able to do it, use solid sugar.

What is so difficult to make 1:2 syrup. The clue is that you see the sugar weight in the package. Now you need only measure a proper amount of water. But but but.

And mixing sugar and water.....that chilcren learn at the age of 3 when they drink morning tea.
So mixing is under control but that measuring water....are you going to kill bees...

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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2013, 04:56:59 AM »



Hasn't this gone on long enough?  This thread is like a ball of confusion.

WHAT!!!

Experienced (so called) beeks debate, how often to open the hive cover.
After reading opinions you are confused. Who is confused and what for?

At leat I continue  my way up to grave yard. I open my hives as much as I want.

Now I should take the last feeders off and put Oxalic trickiling into those hives.
Should I ask opinions from this forum?  - A good spamming?

- not now, not now oxalic. - But however, I put it.
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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2013, 04:59:52 AM »



My methods have experienced several evolutions since 1974 and will likely....hopefully, continue until I'm dead.

Only 40 years...Everything was OK , but then you came to this forum...


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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2013, 05:12:02 AM »

my head hurts


my head hurts

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Sorry Guys. I just got a little carried away.
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« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2013, 05:47:18 AM »

No teaching or learning going on here. 

No debating either.  Debate requires civility..........and intent LISTENING to other viewpoints............ w/out ridicule.

Love ya'll later...................... cool
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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2013, 06:23:31 AM »


No learning going on here. 



You still believe that Michigan is coldest place in the world and you need straw balls to handle it!

okay then..
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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2013, 06:39:56 AM »

Thanks for proving my point FIN.
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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2013, 06:56:53 AM »

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When are you going to get reindeers to Michigan? They are handy in cold climate.
Pic from Yakutsk



You understand reindeers when  you see the may road of Yakutian. Deep frost in soil melts and then you are in collective trouple.

http://www.russiablog.org/Moscow-Yakutsk-highway.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics/Siberian-Road-to-Yakutsk.jpg
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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2013, 08:21:17 AM »

No (known) Reindeer or domesticated Caribou around the Great Lakes Region, lots of "wild" Deer, Moose, Elk, Bear, Wolves, even some Mountain Lions still moving around, few people, few cities.   In the last decade Northern Wisconsin and Michigan's Upper Peninsula has seen an enormous increase in the Wild Turkey population, likely due to our 'above average' temps and reduction in snow fall averages..........YUM-YUM cool  Wwwwwild TTttturkey, can't hardly till the next one comes my way cool

A benefit of climate change?

Our Winters are still long (from first to last frost is still 7 months) but not nearly as cold as they were 10-20-50 years ago.
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