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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2013, 11:56:09 AM »
Putting syrup directly into old comb sounds like a good idea as well. On the Facebook branch of this forum someone said that they simply dunk the empty comb into a bucket of syrup.

One concern that I would have is that wouldn't there be a lot of drip and dribble in the hive from this? For that matter it seems that you could have a lot of syrup spillage around the hive as you put it in. Seems like robbing could be set off very easily this way. Any thoughts or experiences on this?

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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2013, 12:09:28 PM »
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I have 8 litre top feeders and I feed hives full for winter. That food will last from September to May.
Average winter food is 20 kg sugar. Thanks to insulated polyboxes.

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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2013, 11:19:37 PM »
20kg sugar per hive? That seems like a lot of sugar. Wow!

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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2013, 11:51:42 PM »
Putting syrup directly into old comb sounds like a good idea as well. On the Facebook branch of this forum someone said that they simply dunk the empty comb into a bucket of syrup.

One concern that I would have is that wouldn't there be a lot of drip and dribble in the hive from this? For that matter it seems that you could have a lot of syrup spillage around the hive as you put it in. Seems like robbing could be set off very easily this way. Any thoughts or experiences on this?

The natural comb if the honeybee is built to hold liquid. There is a proper up orientation. The comb slopes upward from the bottom 9to 14 deg.
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2013, 12:23:15 AM »
1 kg sugar = 3870 Calories of stored potential energy.

1 Food Calorie = 4184 joules.

So Finski’s 20 kg of sugar has the energy content of 323841600 joules.

How many months are the bees couped up?  6 months?

6 months x 30days/month x 24hours/day x 3600 seconds/hour = 15552000 seconds.

1 watt = 1 joule/second.

323841600 joules/15552000 seconds = 20 watts.

20 kg sugar over 6 months = an average cluster energy output of 20watts.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2013, 12:48:40 AM »
Your calculation is correct if all the potential energy is used. Should give a close approximation though.
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2013, 04:24:48 AM »


323841600 joules/15552000 seconds = 20 watts.

20 kg sugar over 6 months = an average cluster energy output of 20watts.


Your calculation is incorect.

In autumn a normal good hive spends 1-1,5 kg sugar in a month.
It basic temperature in cluster is 23C when you put digital thermometer into the cluster.

Then in spring hive temp rises to 36C when they start to rear brood. High temp and rearing brood rises wat consumption.

In May it spends  4 kg in a week ( 0,5 kg in one day)

My winter season is 9 months when bees live with that 20 kg sugar. There are too 5-10 kg its own honey in the hive.

Yes, guys here have measured the hive weights during winter. Hives stay on balance the whole year,
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2013, 04:41:19 AM »

Yes, guys here have measured the hive weights during winter. Hives stay on balance the whole year,


Then you don't have to go into the hive to know the remaining stores.! Right. :cheer: Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2013, 04:45:02 AM »


Then you don't have to go into the hive to know the remaining stores.! Right. :cheer: Sorry, I couldn't resist.

oh dear. Oh dear x 50
20 hives and one is on balance.

God bless America!
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2013, 08:42:39 AM »
Finski wrote:

"What is the matter with you guys: YOu recommend others to something what you have never done yourself!

Is that POSITIVE attitude or " NO RESPONSIBILYTY""
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First and foremost, don't attribute 'recommendations' to me where none were made.

I merely made two observations: 

1) That it appeared some folks got out of bed on the wrong side, based on responses.

2) And if what Alfred did, worked for him, he has accomplished his goal.


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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2013, 09:01:59 AM »

2) And if what Alfred did, worked for him, he has accomplished his goal.



Nonsense..

Hen eggs in winterfood is nonsense.

But I know that nonsense fits better to most beekeepers than some reasonable thing.
Beekeepers just love innovative humbug.

Sugar syrup is best winterfood to bees, but guys must invent what ever strange hokkus pokkus.
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2013, 09:03:00 AM »
Good morning....
 :pop: :pop:
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2013, 09:05:32 AM »
Good morning....
 :pop: :pop:

Afternoon here. 15:04

11C temp, rain. Leaves are off from trees.

Bluebees' thanks giving day honey ball recipe:

(not ment to bees' winterfood)


* 2 tablespoons white vinegar
 * 3/8 cup milk
 * 2 tablespoons shortening
 * 1/2 cup white sugar
 * 1 egg
 * 1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract
 * 2 cups sifted all-purpose flour
 * 1/2 teaspoon baking soda
 * 1/4 teaspoon salt
 * 1 quart oil for deep frying
 * 1/2 cup confectioners' sugar for dusting

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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2013, 09:35:03 AM »
"But I know that nonsense fits better to most beekeepers than some reasonable thing."

Beekeepers just love innovative humbug."

And some apparently just love disparaging others' success, if it conflicts with their opinions of what is 'correct'.

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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2013, 09:35:26 AM »
Actually I have BlueBees very simple recipe for honey balls.  THEY WORK GREAT!

Mix dry sugar together with enough of your own honey to create little balls of whatever size you choose.  Place inside hives.  Done.  How simple is that?


NOTICE;  you all know that Finski really lives in Belize, right?  :shock: :-D :-D  :laugh:
"Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who say they've found it."

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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2013, 09:43:06 AM »
"But I know that nonsense fits better to most beekeepers than some reasonable thing."

Beekeepers just love innovative humbug."

And some apparently just love disparaging others' success, if it conflicts with their opinions of what is 'correct'.

I just say, they are your hives. Not mine

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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2013, 09:54:25 AM »

NOTICE;  you all know that Finski really lives in Belize, right?  :shock: :-D :-D  :laugh:


Now that you mention it... The combination of possibilities of just who "Our friend Finski" really is could be a whole other thread in the "Coffee House" Board. Boggles the mind. My only hope is that he would bring his sense of humor with him and leave his feelings somewhere safe.
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2013, 10:43:30 AM »
The combination of possibilities of just

Bees stand many kind of beekeepers, but I have said many times that bees in USA try to find a better home = vanished bees  .... then you find feral bees ....so glad..so glad

We had a neigbour who had a dog. We had a sentence: "Vanished a dog, who is afraid of name Lassie".


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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2013, 10:50:49 AM »

Bees stand many kind of beekeepers, but I have said many times that bees in USA try to find a better home = vanished bees  .... then you find feral bees ....so glad..so glad

We had a neigbour who had a dog. We had a sentence: "Vanished a dog, who is afraid of name Lassie".

Fun Finski, Have Fun. You know play, humor. That kind of thing.
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Re: Made some candy board frames.
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2013, 12:26:44 PM »
alfred,

Thank you for sharing. I want to mention that egg products are a common ingredients in bee patties as they provide a complete set of amino acids. However, they are used in powder form such as dried egg yolk and dried egg whites (both are available in the confectioner's section of any major USA retailer). Those are a good substitute for fresh eggs as fresh eggs can carry contaminants (e-coli and salmonella come to mind).

Usually confectioners in the USA use the powders to prevent spoilage esp in non baked applications such as meringue. Your sugar frames would be a good candidate.