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« on: October 09, 2013, 03:18:17 PM »

There is very little the average person can do.  But, here is one small thing!!!!!!!! Please recopy and forward.  This does need to go viral,and every one of these people need to be voted out of office!!!!!!
Which 46 Senators Voted to Destroy Us?
 
We came four votes away from the U.S. Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations.
In a 53-46 vote, the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
The Statement of Purpose from the Bill reads:
"To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty."
The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration,
would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms.
The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S.
and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.
Astonishingly, 46 out of our 100 United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
Here are the 46 senators who voted to give your rights to the U.N.
Baldwin (D-WI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Cowan (D-MA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hirono (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 08:17:48 PM »

That's funny, I thought John Kerry had already quite sensibly signed the Arms Trade Treaty.
The purpose of the treaty is not to stop americans owning guns, but to ask major exporters of arms to take some responsibility about where the arms end up.  America, france, china and russia are major manufacturers of weapons.  These weapons have been used to commit attempted genocide, used in war crimes and mass killing of innocent people and getting into the arms of child soldiers.  No one really wants to give a kid a gun to kill their brothers.  The problem for america and other countries is that these weapons bring in a fair income.  The thought of folks losing jobs and factories closing is not nice.  But it is comparable to car factories closing which is happening more and more.  There are actually more regulations in trading bananas than in trading guns, and the treaty simply requires that arms trading is more monitored.
Bravo to those senators for standing up for something good.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 08:26:22 PM »

I'll second Lone. applause  Bravo to the senators with a backbone (and a brain).

If Boehner and his extremists won’t send up a clean debt ceiling bill, then THIS is something that the Dems should ABSOLUTELY demand be in a negotiated "settlement" with the Republicans.  Y'all hear, the Republicans want to be bi-partisan now. lau


  
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 08:50:43 PM »

Bravo to iddee for having sense enough to know NOT to trust them. Always remember, the nature of gov't is to expand and control - no matter who's in charge. I often wonder if there isn't some movement underfoot to establish a world like they have on Star Trek TNG. A global government where all is peace and people are free to explore the sciences. Fiction. It ain't the guns, it's the people.

Well I hope that when they come for the guns they're wearing blue helmets. 

I love them imports! Mostly my Mosin Nagants. Heavy duty ammo and cheap. One may ask "Why own a Russian WWII bolt action rifle? My answer: Because people hide behind things.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »

I am with iddee.

Have you all seen that most murders are committed BY Governments, and FOR Governments (those few people that are in control)?

Here is the link to the below pasted information, which is much easier to view:
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Why must all decent non-violent people fight against "gun control"? Why is the right to keep and bear arms truly a fundamental individual right? You can find the answers in this new book.

People frequently ask why we are so dedicated to our cause? This book answers that question by collecting the key facts and arguments in one place.

People have asked us to present the whole JPFO argument in one place. We have done it. Available now in an easy-reading format and a handy size, the new book is entitled Death by Gun Control: The Human Cost of Victim Disarmament.

The message is simple: Disarmed people are neither free nor safe - they become the criminals' prey and the tyrants' playthings. When the civilians are defenseless and their government goes bad, however, thousands and millions of innocents die.

Professor R.J. Rummel, author of the monumental book Death by Government, said: "Concentrated political power is the most dangerous thing on earth." For power to concentrate and become dangerous, the citizens must be disarmed.

What disarms the citizens? The idea of "gun control." It's the idea that only the government has the right to possess firearms, and that citizens have no unalienable right to use force to defend against aggression.

Death by Gun Control carefully examines the "gun control" idea: its meaning, its purposes, its effects. It comes in many forms, but in every form it enables the evildoers and works against righteous defense.

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The Mother of All Stats

The Human Cost of "Gun Control" Ideas

The Genocide Chart © JPFO.org 2002
Government    Dates    Targets    Civilians Killed      "Gun Control" Laws       Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme
Ottoman Turkey    1915-1917    Armenians
(mostly Christians)    1-1.5 million    Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915    • Permits required •Government list of owners
•Ban on possession
Soviet Union    1929-1945    Political opponents;
farming communities    20 million    Resolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920
Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926    •Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession
•Severe penalties
Nazi Germany
& Occupied Europe    1933-1945    Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples"    20 million    Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
Regulations against Jews, 1938    •Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws
•Ban on possession
China, Nationalist    1927-1949    Political opponents;
army conscripts; others    10 million    Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935    •Government permit system
•Ban on private ownership
China, Red    1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976    Political opponents;
Rural populations
Enemies of the state    20-35 million    Act of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957    •Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"
Guatemala    1960-1981    Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies    100,000-
200,000    Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964    •Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees
•Prohibit carrying guns
•Bans on guns, sharp tools
•Confiscation powers
Uganda    1971-1979    Christians
Political enemies    300,000    Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970    •Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions
•Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers
Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge)    1975-1979    Educated Persons;
Political enemies    2 million    Art. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938    •Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions
•Photo ID with fingerprints
•License inspected quarterly
Rwanda    1994    Tutsi people    800,000    Decree-Law No. 12, 1979    •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers

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  Addition - For easier chart printing, download the Genocide Chart PDF file, it includes a text synopsis of this page.

 

When the gun prohibitionists quote a statistic about how many people are killed by firearms misuse, the discussion sometimes bogs down into whose crime stats to believe and how to count crimes vs. the defensive firearm uses. Death by Gun Control works on a level that nobody can dispute: documented world history.

In the 20th Century:

    Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
    Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.

How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.

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Truth They Cannot Refute

Death by Gun Control delivers the essential - and gut wrenching -- truth that the anti-self defense "gun control" advocates never try to refute. They simply cannot refute the facts or the formula.

Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide

What makes the argument so powerful? Two factors. First, it makes common sense: unarmed defenseless people have no hope against armed aggressors. Second, it states the historical truth: evil governments did wipe out 170,000,000 innocent non-military lives in the 20th Century alone.

Using the facts in Death by Gun Control, you can take down the enemies of the Bill of Rights. The rights-destroyers have no answers to these facts. They have no excuses for their killer ideas.

JPFO's work has already borne fruit. John R. Bolton, an under-Secretary of State for the United States, this year urged the United Nations to recognize how an "oppressed non-state group defending itself from a genocidal government" will need ready access to firearms. Mr. Bolton might have been the first U.S. official in modern history to have argued to the UN that private citizens might need to be armed against their own killer governments.

Paul Harvey, the world-renowned and much admired radio commentator, last year reportedly broadcast the JPFO-produced facts linking "gun control" to the genocide of millions of unarmed civilians. Country by country, Mr. Harvey counted the murdered victims of civilian disarmament policies.

Our new book could inspire other opinion-makers to join the chorus. Chapters in the book teach about:

    The essential meaning of "gun control"
    The Genocide Formula
    The laws and policies that led to mega murder in Cambodia, China, Nazi Germany, Guatemala, Rwanda, Ottoman Turkey, Uganda, USSR
    Zimbabwe's land invasions and firearms confiscations
    Soaring crime in Britain after gun prohibition
    Violence and police state polices in Japan
    The right and duty of armed self-defense in Judaism and both Protestant and Catholic Christianity
    Racist roots of "gun control" in America
    The United Nations program to disarm civilians worldwide
    Police state polices that condition Americans to accept victim disarmament.

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Contributors: Leading Lights for Liberty

There is much more. Death by Gun Control features articles contributed by:

    James Bovard (Introduction): "Not every firearms regulation leads inexorably to genocide. ... But there is no trigger guard on political ambition."
    Stephen Halbrook, Ph.D. (Chapter 9): How Nazi firearms laws disarmed German Jews -- the whole story.
    Jacob Hornberger (Chapter 10): Retelling the tragic, inspiring tale of The White Rose Society, college students who paid the ultimate price for freedom of mind.
    Larry Pratt (Chapter 18): What the Bible says to Christians and Jews about self-defense and victim disarmament.

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Endorsed by Experts

Honestly, is this book any good? Ask David Kopel, scholar at the Independence Institute and author of several books and many articles on firearms ownership and public policy. Mr. Kopel honored our book, saying that Death by Gun Control is "one of the best books ever written about the right to keep and bear arms."

There are many excellent books that advance our understanding of the right to keep and bear arms, the Second Amendment and the American liberty philosophy. Death by Gun Control is unique because it alone drives directly to the heart of the matter: that "gun control" ideas kill - both overseas and here in the U.S.A.

Past Breaking News: Wave good-bye to the era when Americans could say "it can't happen here." After the September 11 terror attack that killed 3,000 people, Americans no longer ignore "foreign" nations and the history of the world. America has been plunged deep into a perilous world, and our citizens are learning about war and invasion and attack and defense. The lesson of the 20th Century genocides cannot be dismissed any more. The logic of personal self-defense is hitting home. Death by Gun Control is perfectly timed to influence people during this window of opportunity. Order extra copies to spread the word.

More Breaking News: Since January 20th 2009 we have a new administration and one that appears totally bent on further eroding all rights, particularly with regard to the Second Amendment. They have many planned ways to "restrict" firearms ownership using "reasonable" limitations but these are a smoke screen for what appears more to be a real attempt to ban guns entirely.  The instigation of rendering law abiding citizen's right to keep and bear arms and so render them defenseless must be seen as opening the door to potential genocide. Remember, the bad guys (of all description) will always be armed!

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Endorsements for Death by "Gun Control"


LATER NEWS: Freedom Book of the Month for January, 2002 award from Free-Market.net

Death by "Gun Control" provides a vital and neglected argument for the right of private gun ownership: namely, that people with guns can defend themselves against government criminals as well as against common ones. Zelman and Stevens present the argument eloquently and with meticulous scholarship. Although the stories of governmental persecution are heart breaking, this book is a pleasure to read because of its clear-sighted and humanitarian concern for the victims who were stripped of self-defense.

Wendy McElroy
Author, editor of the forthcoming anthology Women and Liberty (Ivan R. Dee publisher, winter 2001), and regular columnist for FOXNews.com.

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An excellent, well-written book that should be read by everyone interested in firearms policy. Zelman and Stevens prove beyond any doubt that gun control is a necessary precondition for genocide. The book details how anti-gun laws undermine the sanctity of human life, how such laws denigrate tolerance and diversity, and how gun control violates the moral principles of the Judeo-Christian tradition. One of the best books ever written about the right to keep and bear arms.

David Kopel
Research Director, the Independence Institute (www.i2i.org)
Author of several books, including No More Wacos: What's Wrong with Federal Law Enforcement and How to Fix It (Prometheus Books)

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Riveting. Electrifying. Sobering. Death by "Gun Control" is a wake-up call to all who love liberty. It should be required reading in every home and school.

Richard Poe
Author, The Seven Myths of Gun Control
Editor, FrontPageMagazine.com

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Death by "Gun Control" explains the fundamentals in such a lucid, accessible way that you could give the book to your middle schooler as a first primer on the value of an armed citizenry. At the same time, it's so packed with well-organized information that experienced gun-rights activists and researchers should keep it close at hand for intellectual ammunition. I thought I'd read a lot on this topic; but Aaron and Richard taught me things I'd never known and gave me new ways of looking at familiar concepts. This is a seriously valuable book.

Claire Wolfe
Author of 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution and co-author of The State vs. the People

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Zelman and Stevens tell the story we all must know -- how successful twentieth century tyrants knew they had to disarm their people before they could torture and kill them. The power of their story makes clear our imperative -- to preserve at all costs the natural right of self defense and its corollary, the right to keep and bear arms.

Timothy Wheeler, MD
Director
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership, a Project of The Claremont Institute

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George Santayana wrote: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." In the 20th Century, nuclear weapons were used by government to kill a few hundred thousand people, whereas "gun control" was used by governments to pave the way for killing over 100,000,000 people. Read this book to understand how and why we must help prevent the 21st century from repeating the government destruction of life and liberty of the past century - we cannot afford another like it."

Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw
Scientists and authors of the No. 1 bestseller Life Extension, A Practical Scientific Approach

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 10:08:36 PM »

Blue and LONE if you want the facts and not emotion there they are.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 10:11:18 PM »

Lone, you are right that many people are killed with guns......with, not by......

The only thing you don't seem to see is that the vast majority of them have been killed by governments that had removed guns from the populace. Now reread itsme's post and try to see why.Hitler and many others showed it quite clearly.

Bluebee, I wonder if you may have choked just a bit while writing that post. I know it wasn't that easy. Probably as easy as explaining why the dems, who control what agencies are shutting down, stopped death benefits for dead soldiers families but kept pay alive for forest rangers to harass private business owners leasing federal buildings.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 11:35:47 PM »

Folks,

Yes it is emotional, Sterling.  There are so many wars in the recent past and present that have left countries barren and desolated.  Whatever the war is about, diamonds, oil, land, dictators suppressing the population, there are so many instances of human rights abuses.  Whatever you feel about the UN, the Declaration of Human Rights was written up after WW2 due to the atrocities that occurred throughout the world and to jews in particular.  It doesn't matter whether the arms fall into the hands of governments or the "other side", violations of international law occur on both sides.  The idea of the treaty is to minimize harm to people.

Selling thousands of guns to a country that is at war because the money is good and turning a blind eye to what the guns are used for is what the treaty seeks to address, putting more responsibility onto the seller.  I know it sounds absurd.  Once you have sold something, you can't control it.  But think of it in a similar way to the government giving out licenses to drive a car.  If they simply sold the licenses to anyone then there'd be mayhem and accidents all over the road.  But instead, you have to sit a test first as well as pay the fee.

If your country is not breaking international law by owning guns, then the treaty should not affect your ownership of guns.  If you decided to break into the houses of all the australians living there and shoot us then there might be restrictions placed on your supply of guns for this purpose.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 08:33:34 AM »

Again, Lone, you refuse to see. The treaty requires ALL guns to be registered. That leads the way for the government to know who has guns and how many.The final step before outlawing private ownership. They have to know where the guns are prior to confiscating. It's just another step in the process.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 09:49:10 AM »

I am preparing to leave town and cannot respond in full.  

Whenever I hear someone tell me that the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" is a good thing, I always know there are many things about it of which they are unaware.  And we all suffer from being unaware of those things about which we are unaware smiley

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 12:34:23 PM »

Folks,

Yes it is emotional, Sterling.  There are so many wars in the recent past and present that have left countries barren and desolated.  Whatever the war is about, diamonds, oil, land, dictators suppressing the population, there are so many instances of human rights abuses.  Whatever you feel about the UN, the Declaration of Human Rights was written up after WW2 due to the atrocities that occurred throughout the world and to jews in particular.  It doesn't matter whether the arms fall into the hands of governments or the "other side", violations of international law occur on both sides.  The idea of the treaty is to minimize harm to people.

Selling thousands of guns to a country that is at war because the money is good and turning a blind eye to what the guns are used for is what the treaty seeks to address, putting more responsibility onto the seller.  I know it sounds absurd.  Once you have sold something, you can't control it.  But think of it in a similar way to the government giving out licenses to drive a car.  If they simply sold the licenses to anyone then there'd be mayhem and accidents all over the road.  But instead, you have to sit a test first as well as pay the fee.

If your country is not breaking international law by owning guns, then the treaty should not affect your ownership of guns.  If you decided to break into the houses of all the australians living there and shoot us then there might be restrictions placed on your supply of guns for this purpose.

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THE UNITED NATIONS HAS ABSOLUTLY NO PLACE TELLING CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT OWN. OR TELLING US HOW WE CAN RAISE OUR CHILDREN WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THEY ARE WANTING TO DO. I AM VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO A ONE WORLD POLICE STATE CONTROLED BY A BUNCH OF LIBERAL IDIOTS. AND YOU SHOULD BE ALSO.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2013, 10:30:10 AM »

lone, i didn't read through all of your posts.  if i missed something, it's probably better for my BP  smiley

i know you have a good heart, but you have not thought this through....and you think of these things through the European thought process.  to bad.  it didn't used to be like that.  how you all came to believe that government is good and has your best interest at heart is beyond me.

?:  why would an organization populated by dictators and murdering despots want to control the flow of weapons?  is it because they care about people? unlikely.  does the UN care about war?  they have never stopped one.  does the UN care about human rights?  well, they put countries like Iran on the human rights council, so i'd say...no.

what does the UN care about?  same as any government.  money and power.  who populates the UN...besides dictators and despots?  globalists.  can globalists accomplish their goals without disarming the populations?  no

war is not caused by weapons.  genocide is not caused by weapons.  dictators do not kill their own because they have weapons.  Islamists do not slaughter because of weapons. 

trying to control weapons will work just as well as the war on drugs.  people who are law abiding will be impacted.  no one else will.  you create an even bigger underground market for weapons.  one already exists to smuggle weapons to countries with "control" of them. any dictator or despot who wants weapons will make their own....after all, if we can't stop N Korea and Iran from getting nukes, we can't stop some tin pot from making riffles.   

for some, this kind of legislation is feel good.  for others, it helps toward a goal.  for all it will fail to accomplish what is stated. for the individual who chooses to be armed, it leaves them defenseless against the dictators and globalists.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2013, 07:35:53 AM »

In our nation we have a Constitution. This document was written to limit the powers of the government over the people. Unless any such powers were specifically spelled out and given to the federal government, the powers were to remain with each of the states and the individual.
The second amendment was written in so the people would always have the means to reign in a tyrannical government that has overstepped it's boundaries.
 I believe most states in our union have similar provisions written into their Constitutions as well. After coming out from under the heavy hand of England these rights of the citizen were not taken lightly.
We have a provision for repealing the amendments of this Constitution or changing them, which has been done before. But the leftists in our country will never be able to accomplish this via the prescribed procedures as this will require the approval of the masses at the state levels, and contrary to what our media would have you believe,most people in this country support our second amendment and the rest of the first ten amendments crafted as "the Bill of Rights".
  In the last several years with the "dumbing down of Americans" through the programs supported by the federal government and teachers unions,our children know very little about our Constitution and the basic law of the land.They are taught to believe that the lawmakers at the federal level( the "Supreme Authority" if you will) can pass laws that override our freedoms.  And sadly, I really do not think our modern day representatives understand the basic principles either.
  This is how we have become a surveillance state, a dependent state, and a bankrupt state.
Our government is in a lawless state by operating without a budget and on continuing resolution.
We have a rogue government, and the people will need to be able to overthrow it if things continue the way they are. We need to return to the basic framework of our Constitution if we wish to regain personal liberty.And with the "compromises" I see coming it will not be soon enough.
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