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« on: September 29, 2013, 02:07:32 PM »

Interesting article
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/29/swedish-researchers-develop-medicine-to-protect-bees-from-deadly-diseases/?intcmp=latestnews

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 02:27:27 PM »

The Swedish researchers have been writing on this subject since 2005.
A recent publicly downloadable pdf is
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0033188

This ties into the push/pull over hive biota and treatments.  I think there are valid observations on both sides of the debate, but way too much posturing.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 07:41:10 PM »

It's what lives in the gut of the bees if you don't use antibiotics...
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 06:48:19 AM »

Reminds me of when I worked on a farm years ago.Sometimes when you had a bovime that may have been over treated with antibiotics,we would get some rumin from a healthy animal and give it to the ill one . It gave a boost to the digestive tract.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 10:56:20 AM »

Reminds me of when I worked on a farm years ago.Sometimes when you had a bovime that may have been over treated with antibiotics,we would get some rumin from a healthy animal and give it to the ill one . It gave a boost to the digestive tract.

I have done that with goats.....and even still have all my fingers. grin

They now market probiotics in a "calking gun" that does much the same. Bitten fingers is a good motivation for invention.

Not sure the probiotics in the tube would be close enough to what the bees use to be helpful or not.....but it is a thought.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 11:22:14 AM »

Not just farm animals:
http://blogs.plos.org/publichealth/2013/05/29/why-diy-fecal-transplants-are-a-thing-and-the-fda-is-only-part-of-the-reason/
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2013, 11:34:49 AM »

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Eat sh-- and Bark at the Moon".
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 08:56:05 PM »

Young foals often ingest momma's poop to gain those needed probiotics.

Make one wonder if momma's pre-chewing food for babes also added the needed bacteria,

As I feel we/I may be going way OT, is there any reason that offering a sweetened version on probiotics would be a problem with the bees?

On the other hand, in livestock country they already frequent cow poop piles and salt licks.
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