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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2013, 10:28:32 AM »

And why should we even think of funding a law that Obama himself does not enforce, such as with the delays for special groups and exemptions for Capitoll Hill cronies.
If the insurance is not good enough for Congress, the White House and all of their staffers, why in the he#@ should I be forced into such a program?

Those two things should let everybody with at least a 25 IQ know that this thing is not good. The first thing Obama did after the bill passed was exempt himself and his family and the White House staff from the bill. Does that no tell us something.
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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2013, 10:45:00 PM »

This is about a bunch of cry babies crying fowl because they didn’t get their way (killing Obamacare) in the legislative process defined by the founding fathers.  Ironic that these same losers like to wrap themselves around said document (or at least one of the amendments’) every OTHER chance they get.

Now I hear the House Republicans are trying to get a medical devices tax removed in their hostage negotiations.  Isn’t that just a little IRONIC! (if you ever had an accounting class)  Removing an ASSET from the balance sheet when they claim THEY are the ones being fiscally responsible. lau   
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2013, 12:11:55 AM »

the law also says that a budget must be passed each year.  for some reason, your beloved dem senate refuses to do that.  there would be no CR if they had done their job. 

you seem to think that any law passed should be accepted just because it was passed.  should "Jim Crow" laws have been accepted just because they were passed.  how about laws outlawing homosexual behaviors?  prohibition was not just a law, it was a constitutional amendment. 

obama care is bad law.  it passed with only the democrats voting for it and many of them now regret it.  to not fight against it, either to end it completely or to change it, would be foolish.
funny how the left will praise something like a union going up against the big boss and taking it to the man...no matter what, but on this matter of principle they find fault.

as for the medical device tax, it is typical of the leftists to tax productive endeavors. to fund non productive programs.   then they will whine and complain when those same companies take their business overseas. 

i do not have a problem with the legislative process.  perhaps, if the left really cared about process, they'd get of their backside and do their job instead of pushing leftist agenda items that cost jobs and growth.  and the funny thing is, if they'd done their job we wouldn't even be having this conversation....which might make you wonder why they didn't??
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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2013, 03:47:02 AM »

This is about a bunch of cry babies crying fowl because they didn’t get their way (killing Obamacare) in the legislative process defined by the founding fathers.  Ironic that these same losers like to wrap themselves around said document (or at least one of the amendments’) every OTHER chance they get.

Now I hear the House Republicans are trying to get a medical devices tax removed in their hostage negotiations.  Isn’t that just a little IRONIC! (if you ever had an accounting class)  Removing an ASSET from the balance sheet when they claim THEY are the ones being fiscally responsible. lau  


So glad to see Blue, the great moderate, has shown back up to lend objective, unbiased reason to this discussion. lau
For a minute, I thought his absence from the discussion was because he was busily working on "the list" he's promised for so long now..."detailing" Obama's contribution to the stock market, but regrettably, still nothing on that! lau

AS usual it's tough to tell if Blue is really that clueless and uninformed, or just carrying water for the liberals by sticking to their talking points.  grin

For the record Blue....The last of many offers by the House Republicans that would have avoided a government shutdown asked for ONLY TWO THINGS!

First, that their be no exemptions or special treatment for Congress, their staff, or WH staffers concerning ObamaCare.
Second, that the 1 year waiver granted by the President to many "evil corporations" be extended to individuals as a matter of equal treatment and fairness.

FUNNY how the Dems want to cry that ObamaCare is passed law, so the Republicans shouldn't be able to make any changes to it...Yet the only two things the Republicans had issue with at the end of the day, were with changes that Obama unilaterally made to the law that was actually passed.  

As usual, the Dems want to have their cake, and eat it too!  Not to mention, have someone else buy the darn cake.   grin
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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2013, 05:50:58 AM »

If the republicans had a brain or a spine - which they have neither, they would fully implement Obama Care/Affordable blah blah act. tomorrow. Then by the time the elections roll around they wouldn't have to buy but one commercial promising to repeal all of it. They would (undeservingly) win by a landslide.
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« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2013, 07:52:17 AM »

If the republicans had a brain or a spine - which they have neither, they would fully implement Obama Care/Affordable blah blah act. tomorrow. Then by the time the elections roll around they wouldn't have to buy but one commercial promising to repeal all of it. They would (undeservingly) win by a landslide.

I can remember when politicians used to be rightfully criticized for making decision based on what would most likely help them win the next election instead of doing the "right thing"...Now GSF labels the Republicans as brainless and spineless for not doing just that!  huh
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« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2013, 11:26:37 AM »

If the republicans had a brain or a spine - which they have neither, they would fully implement Obama Care/Affordable blah blah act. tomorrow. Then by the time the elections roll around they wouldn't have to buy but one commercial promising to repeal all of it. They would (undeservingly) win by a landslide.

And I guess you also think that Obama Care will fall on it's own merits like hmm, oh yea the Great Society did.
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« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2013, 11:46:18 AM »

what's really funny is the way the pro-obama care arguments have changed.  lets make a list.  i'll start with an easy one.

"If you like your plan/doctor, you can keep it."

we can do this like a chain letter.  only list the things that were argued and now have been dropped.   evil
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« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2013, 11:59:58 AM »


"If you like your plan/doctor, you can keep it."

we can do this like a chain letter.  only list the things that were argued and now have been dropped.   evil

You mean like, It's not a Tax, it's a fine...But now it's not a fine, it's a tax!  grin
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« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2013, 12:25:11 PM »

How about ""It's for everyone...........................Except us.""
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« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2013, 09:13:34 PM »

What I was trying to say is this thing is so costly and terrible once it bit folks in the but maybe they would wake up. It is going to bite sooner or later.

Hey Moots; sorry bud, but I don't get what your saying. (Post before last)
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« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2013, 09:55:23 PM »


Hey Moots; sorry bud, but I don't get what your saying. (Post before last)


GSF,
No problem...Obviously, you haven't follow this debate very closely.  When Obama was marketing ObamaCare to the American public and trying to get it through Congress, he was adamant that the individual mandate was a penalty, NOT A TAX.  When his layers were defending it to the Supreme Court, they argued that the individual mandate WAS A TAX, not a penalty. 

Maybe this article will help.
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« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2013, 10:47:58 AM »

"It will be deficit neutral".  The cost according to the CBO is going to more the double.
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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2013, 10:52:56 AM »

"Going to be more affordable"  The cost to many families and individuals is going to two to three times what they were paying.
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« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2013, 11:04:07 AM »

"Obama Care is going to make it better for people on Medicare".  Personal cost for Medicare has risen. Supplemental ins. cost has gone up alot. And the Doctors seeing Medicare patients are being restricted in the type of care they can give to Medicare patients. I know these things from personal experience.
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