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« on: September 10, 2013, 03:00:51 PM »

This about explains it;

If you're not a Liberal by the time you're twenty - you don't have a heart!! If you're not a Conservative by the time your thirty - you don't have a brain.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 06:11:09 PM »

What are you if you have both?
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 08:00:20 PM »

Libertarian.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 08:31:48 PM »

 grin
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 10:20:57 PM »

LOL
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2013, 02:28:15 AM »

Well then, what if you have neither?
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2013, 09:49:51 AM »

then you voted for Obama!!!    grin   
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2013, 06:26:50 AM »

then you voted for Obama!!!    grin   

There must be a lot of people out there in that condition. He got reelected. So sad.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2013, 06:45:57 PM »

According to the OP that isn't possible.

Liberals have hearts
Conservatives have brains

Following that logic the statement:
 
then you voted for Obama!!!    grin   

To the question:
Well then, what if you have neither?


Is invalid or at least contradictory.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2013, 06:52:41 PM »

""Well then, what if you have neither?""

Then you are a liberal over 30.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2013, 12:43:23 PM »

I'm allergic to labels. I can't color inside the lines. there is no box that can contain me. (I hope that this becomes a trend)  LOL!   lau
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2013, 05:37:31 PM »

i don't much like labels by party.  i don't think they mean much.  don't mind being called a conservative...with some libertarian leanings....
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 08:42:49 PM »

Have long thought that voting by party was silly....   Always wanted a third party, called the American party where people could go to vote for someone actually interested in helping this country instead of the lesser of two evils..
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2013, 09:11:55 PM »

we have other parties.  we have write in votes.  we have options.  problem is, so far, exercising those options has given us people like clinton and obama. 
the milti-party system is basically what most of the European countries have.  because no one can get a majority, nothing ever gets done.  a great deal of time and effort is spent putting together a "coalition government", so that the various parties are not cutting each others throats, but if there is real work to be done, no decision can be made.  all effort is put toward the compromise.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 06:50:28 AM »

I think it's good that governments "getting things done" is slow and difficult. If it wasn't, every new fad or hysteria would be institutionalized.
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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2013, 11:59:14 AM »

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I think it's good that governments "getting things done" is slow and difficult. If it wasn't, every new fad or hysteria would be institutionalized.

you are right, but sometimes thing need to be done.

take the NHS in england for example:  everyone agrees that it has some major problems that need to be addressed.  doesn't matter what side of the issue you are on, everyone knows there are problems.  none of the problems can be fixed because there is never enough of a majority to address them.  the solution is to run commercials to ask people not to go to the doctor for colds and minor stuff. that's the best they can do to address costs and crowding.

i agree that we don't need the government doing much, but sometimes they need to do some things....
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2013, 07:18:16 PM »

we have other parties.  we have write in votes.  we have options.  problem is, so far, exercising those options has given us people like clinton and obama. 
the milti-party system is basically what most of the European countries have.  because no one can get a majority, nothing ever gets done.  a great deal of time and effort is spent putting together a "coalition government", so that the various parties are not cutting each others throats, but if there is real work to be done, no decision can be made.  all effort is put toward the compromise.

I of course disagree.
Sure we have other parties and the write-in option, but they aren't valid options UNTIL people take the time to understand the level of corruption in place now.
A 3rd party doesn't necessarily paralyze the political process. It could, if the individuals elected were so decided, be the catalyst for the change that is so badly needed. By being the swing vote a 3rd party could defeat policies that are bad and promote the good. Though honestly, half of the policies and laws on the books are junk and need to be eliminated now.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2013, 10:38:26 PM »

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Though honestly, half of the policies and laws on the books are junk and need to be eliminated now.

i can't think of a viable 3rd party candidate run in my lifetime...and i'm not young.  smiley  i'm not opposed to electing outside the two major parties, but good grief, it has to be someone who's not a one trick pony or a nut case. the last couple that pulled enough votes to matter gave us disasters for presidents.

have you noticed that usually it's the republicans that suffer the most from a 3rd party candidate?  what if we quit trying to field a 3rd party and just voted in some real conservatives.  we have some great young conservatives coming up.  they need our support.  stop voting for McCains and Grahams.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2013, 11:41:08 PM »

Kathyp, I couldn't agree with you more. Cruz and Paul maybe...
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 09:35:04 AM »

I think "None of the Above" should be a choice for every position on the ballot.  If "None of the Above" wins, they need to put someone on the ballot that people actually want...
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