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Offline Bigfoot

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Smoking bees out of a tree?
« on: July 08, 2013, 08:56:21 PM »
Hello Folks, I've got a question, I know some people who want honey bees removed from a tree in their yard because the wife is allergic to them, the bees are going into an opening about six inches in diameter and the opening is about thirty feet off the ground. My question is what do you guys think the chances are of smoking them out of the tree? the opening is small and it seems to be their only way of getting in the hive... Any thoughts

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2013, 09:18:23 PM »
I would say the odds are pretty good.  In my experience that usually works.  If it doesn't you could always buy some flushing spray and only use a TINY amount so it does not harm them.  As long as you use a small amount it should flush them out without harming any/very few bees.
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2013, 09:19:20 PM »
I don't think you can smoke them out. You could do a trap out but the 30' up might be an obstacle. Lots of videos on you-tube on how it's done.

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2013, 09:22:16 PM »
Use the Hogan trap out method and get yourself another 1 or 2 colonies. It will take time though.

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2013, 09:53:31 PM »
If it works, buy you a lottery ticket. It's a guaranteed winner.

Bees will die in a fire before leaving brood.

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 10:00:55 PM »
Just take the 6 weeks and trap them out. 

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 10:50:28 PM »
Count on longer than 6weeks - more realistically 9.  Good luck and make sure I seal the cones outside or the bees will quickly remove the silicone and proceed like nothing ever happened. 
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 11:35:09 PM »
6 weeks is bare minimum. Some have taken 10 to 12 weeks. And that is from the time the last entrance is found and closed.
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 12:03:14 AM »
Buy me a lottery ticket too  :-D

Lots and lots of smoke will drive out a lot of the bees, maybe most, but they will go right back in because that is where their baby bees are.

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 10:52:01 AM »
>what do you guys think the chances are of smoking them out of the tree?

0.0000000000000001%

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 04:36:24 PM »
>what do you guys think the chances are of smoking them out of the tree?

0.0000000000000001%


As my Uncle used to say...."Somewhere between slim and none, and slim just left town."  :-D
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 07:44:43 PM »
Set up a trap-out and after a week or so, drill into the tree at the bottom of the nest and smoke them till smoke rolls out the top entrance (the one that is trapped)

Give it a half-hour or so, and repeat

With luck the queen will move into the trap


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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2013, 03:42:15 PM »
>what do you guys think the chances are of smoking them out of the tree?

0.0000000000000001% M.B.

I believe that's an exaggeration, I give it a 0.00000000000000000000000000% chance  :-D

Just bare in mind you will not be able to save the genetics of this colony unless a cut out is performed.


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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 06:15:55 PM »
Hello Folks, I've got a question, I know some people who want honey bees removed from a tree in their yard because the wife is allergic to them, the bees are going into an opening about six inches in diameter and the opening is about thirty feet off the ground. My question is what do you guys think the chances are of smoking them out of the tree? the opening is small and it seems to be their only way of getting in the hive... Any thoughts
These bees are 30 feet off the ground are they ready bothering you this is the same Heights has a three story building also has been my experience that bees need
about a 15-20 liter cavity to live in this kind of big for that far off the ground unless it is a BIG TREE
IMO Your chances of getting these bees out of the tree with just smoke are about as good as you win the jackpot on Powerball.




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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2013, 06:25:57 PM »
Thanks, JP, you just answered a question for me, too.

We looked at a dead tree with a colony entrance about 30' up; the owner wants to have the tree removed. (She's a gardener and understands the importance of the bees, so when the tree removal service told her they would spray (kill) the bees, she said no).

Been trying to figure out if there is a way to get them out of there. We do understand that dropping the tree at this time of year would crush all the comb and kill the bees....
  :'(
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2013, 06:32:06 PM »
Thanks, JP, you just answered a question for me, too.

We looked at a dead tree with a colony entrance about 30' up; the owner wants to have the tree removed. (She's a gardener and understands the importance of the bees, so when the tree removal service told her they would spray (kill) the bees, she said no).

Been trying to figure out if there is a way to get them out of there. We do understand that dropping the tree at this time of year would crush all the comb and kill the bees....
  :'(

Will there be a crane on this job ???
If so you can cut the section out ???

     

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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2013, 02:53:36 AM »
LOL, Jim134, if beekeepers had cranes, Bigfoot and I wouldn't have any problems!  :laugh:
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2013, 06:27:28 AM »
Thanks, JP, you just answered a question for me, too.

We looked at a dead tree with a colony entrance about 30' up; the owner wants to have the tree removed. (She's a gardener and understands the importance of the bees, so when the tree removal service told her they would spray (kill) the bees, she said no).

Been trying to figure out if there is a way to get them out of there. We do understand that dropping the tree at this time of year would crush all the comb and kill the bees....
  :'(

Are you cutting down this tree yourself ???
Is a tree Service Company doing the job for you ???
Or are you using a tree climber to cut this tree down ???
Remember you cannot save them all it may not be economically feasible.  
No matter what time of year you cut this tree down if it crashes off the ground you will crush lots of comb and kill lots of bees and brood....





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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 10:26:49 AM »
>I believe that's an exaggeration, I give it a 0.00000000000000000000000000% chance

That was my first thought, but then I thought, nothing is 0% or 100% when bees are involved...
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Re: Smoking bees out of a tree?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 10:57:56 AM »
I thought, nothing is 0% or 100% when bees are involved...


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