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« on: December 07, 2014, 06:37:50 PM »

Ok while I agree with most that we have more than enough laws. I was reading another thread and it got me thinking. What new laws would I support? Here are two to get us going

1. Any benefit promised to a person signing up for the armed forces may not be changed.

2. Any law passed by congress must also apply to congress. I E they cannot pass a law for us that they themselves are exempt from.

What are y'all's thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 07:05:39 PM »

Any congressman or pres. doing opposite what he campaigned to do would be booted.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 09:47:29 PM »

Sounds great to me.  If they require it of us, it should apply to them.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2014, 04:52:47 AM »

I like your proposed laws... I think they would make good constitutional amendments. I have another that would fix a lot of the issues we have with too many laws. A constitutional amendment saying any law passed buy Congress and signed by the President or passed by veto override shall only be valid for 10 years from the date of passage. After that the bill must be reintroduced to Congress and passed again for another 10 years. That would wipe thousands of pages from the federal registry.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 07:20:55 AM »

I just thought of something... I proposed constitutional amendments... What's the point? Our government ignores the constitution whenever it gets in the way... The entire purpose of the constitution is to get in the way and limit government power. If we don't uphold the constitution then why bother writing laws either?
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2014, 11:33:08 AM »

>1. Any benefit promised to a person signing up for the armed forces may not be changed.

Anything else would be fraud.

>2. Any law passed by congress must also apply to congress. I E they cannot pass a law for us that they themselves are exempt from.

The US constitution already guarantees equal protection under the law, but unfortunately the supreme court had not enforced it on Congress...

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I like your proposed laws... I think they would make good constitutional amendments. I have another that would fix a lot of the issues we have with too many laws. A constitutional amendment saying any law passed buy Congress and signed by the President or passed by veto override shall only be valid for 10 years from the date of passage. After that the bill must be reintroduced to Congress and passed again for another 10 years. That would wipe thousands of pages from the federal registry.

Makes a lot so sense here. This would do away with a lot of the antiquated laws.

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 09:48:53 AM »

FYI, the Federal Register is the publication containing rules and regulations proposed and promulgated by regulatory bodies, etc. (bureaucrats).  The U.S. Code is the publication of general and permanent laws enacted by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS.  The Federal Registered is published daily and contains so much garbage nobody can keep up with it all.  The Constitutional Amendments discussed above would not affect the FR.  if we could do away with all the regulatory agencies that have outlived their usefulness, we might even be able to have a balanced budget.  Somewhere there's probably an agency with paid commissioners and a huge staff to regulate the making and foreign marketing of buggy whips.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 02:19:26 PM »

The Federal Registered is published daily and contains so much garbage nobody can keep up with it all.  The Constitutional Amendments discussed above would not affect the FR.  if we could do away with all the regulatory agencies that have outlived their usefulness, we might even be able to have a balanced budget.  Somewhere there's probably an agency with paid commissioners and a huge staff to regulate the making and foreign marketing of buggy whips.
Ok... In that case is the Federal Registry even legal? I totally agree with you that all of these agencies really need to go. I really believe we need a government shutdown. What I can't understand is why there was such a big deal when the government shut down. There should not be such a thing as a "non-essential government employee". When the government shut down they cut over 90% of the EPA employees. What? Why were they employed in the first place? The worst part about it is that they then went and payed everybody for their vacation and put them back to "work". how ridiculous...
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 02:30:47 PM »

Any one holding a federal office or running for office, and speaking to anyone and tells a lie half truth which can be proved in court. shall be imprisoned for 1 to ten years
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2014, 02:48:57 PM »

Any one holding a federal office or running for office, and speaking to anyone and tells a lie half truth which can be proved in court. shall be imprisoned for 1 to ten years
Hummm.... We would need to release all of our convicted drug offenders to make space in prison. I have a better idea... Rather than putting them in prison they should be forced to pay all the taxes of all their constituents for 10 years. I am to cheap to pay to support them in prison. That was one of my biggest problems with Martha Stewart. It is also a problem I have with jailing nonviolent drug offenders.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2014, 05:20:18 PM »

The last thing I want is more laws.
How about we instead remove any laws that aren't being enforced to start. This should accomplish at least 2 things. First every law IMO reduces freedom so liberty is restored. Second it forces the socially beneficial laws to actually be enforced. That is after all why we pass laws, is it not?
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2014, 05:54:44 PM »

Correct, and it has always seemed to me that if we have a law that's not being enforced, it causes a cheapening of all laws, or creates a kind of contempt for all laws.  But we can have too much enforcement sometimes.  In some countries, the police make an arrest for any infraction, and let the court sort it out.  In most of the US, cops have some discretion.  An example would be when I'm driving down the street at 3 am and come to a red light.  Should I stop and wait 2 minutes for the light to turn green, or stop, look around and see that no cars are in sight in any direction, then go through the intersection?  Only a Marionette (or maybe somebody carrying illicit drugs or something) would sit there burning gas just to satisfy the arbitrary nature of the signal light that's red because some traffic engineer failed to take into account the nature of traffic on this street at this hour (it should be set on flashing red/amber).  In most jurisdictions in the US, a cop seeing this might stop me, make sure I'm not drunk or something, and caution me to be careful and send me on my way.

Then you have some countries to our south, among others, where the cop would see an op potunity to make a few extra dollars/pesos/lira or whatever.  Where does law enforcement create contempt for all laws?  The breakdown of obedience for the law is probably at the lower levels of enforcement, but generally, it goes on up from there because the way laws are written, enforced and respected or not respected is ingrained in a society.

What we're seeing in some parts of our society is a total loss of respect for the law -- any law, including the basic laws of humanity.  If you look at Nazi Germany, the loss of humanity was not overnight.  It came about in tiny steps, over a period of time, and then people were making lampshades of human skin.  Where are we going?


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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 07:50:06 AM »

An example would be when I'm driving down the street at 3 am and come to a red light.  Should I stop and wait 2 minutes for the light to turn green, or stop, look around and see that no cars are in sight in any direction, then go through the intersection?
You know your a libertarian when you come to a red light at 3am and look to see if nobody is coming and then step on the gas. --Gary Johnson

At the intersection of New Yuck State Routes 7 and 8 they put a red left arrow that I used to regularly make a left on red arrow. I rarely go through the intersection anymore but I used to on my way to work. The worst part about that light was that people would wait for the red arrow and then it would turn green and people would then have to wait at the other side. Without the arrow neither would have had to wait.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2014, 08:04:24 AM »

>Somewhere there's probably an agency with paid commissioners and a huge staff to regulate the making and foreign marketing of buggy whips.

There's a story about how the newly elected POTUS was touring the Dept. of Agriculture and he found a man at his desk crying.  He asked his escort about it and his escort explained that his farmer had died.

Actually there is one employee for every 30 farmers:
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/jun/08/george-lemieux/george-lemieux-says-usda-employs-1-person-every-30/

>Ok... In that case is the Federal Registry even legal?

Probably not, but that never stopped them.

>Any one holding a federal office or running for office, and speaking to anyone and tells a lie half truth which can be proved in court. shall be imprisoned for 1 to ten years

Let's flesh that one out.
1) Anyone campaigning for office who promises to do something which that office lacks the authority to do will be jailed on fraud charges immediately.
2) Anyone who promises anything while campaigning for office, that they will have the authority to do and fails to do it will be jailed on fraud charges as soon as they leave office.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2014, 04:11:34 PM »

your always a better speaker than I
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2014, 03:55:15 AM »

I can think of a new law or two that the beeks wouldn't like, so maybe I'll just keep those to myself  grin

I would also agree that we have too many laws that are not being enforced.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2014, 09:15:50 AM »

Sometimes juries send a message to prosecutors about laws that shouldn't be enforced, or enforced in a particular case, and even though the state has proved a person did the unlawful act, the jury acquits.  See "jury nullification".
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