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« on: June 07, 2013, 05:31:50 PM »

Seems the suspect is a pregnant woman actor from Texas.
Did they not already paint the picture that it was probably a right wing extremist, tea partier or gun rights activist?
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 07:14:48 PM »


    Yes sir! Painting the portrait. It is quite unfortunate so many are ignorant of the progressives goal." Hope and change" is actually "destroy America". Goal number one? Make the constitution irrelevant. They used to hide who they are. Now progressive have so much power, they are right in your face. Fight back!
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 09:48:20 PM »

I am betting the actual perpetrator will not get as much coverage since she does not fit the mold the media portrayed.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 10:43:01 PM »

I wouldn't take that bet, thats for sure. They always try to blame us...but there is nothing extreme about the tea Party at all. In reality it is what the new norm should be like, imo. a few people who are part of the Tea Party are a bit off...but out of the over 8 million who have called themselves Tea Party, they are a very minor part indeed.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2013, 12:32:42 AM »

Are those few tea party people at the 6sigma extreme, bee keepers. grin

I agree it's kind of hard to predict whom the media will sensationalize and whom they won't.  The Elvis guy got a good bit of media attention when he was accused of sending letters with poison.  He didn't really fit the mold either.  There's clearly nuts of all political persuasions out there.  Just more of them in the conservative camp.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2013, 07:00:26 AM »

More of the" accused " being in the conservative camop. Not the facts.
See Gabby Giffords case.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 04:36:24 PM »

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There's clearly nuts of all political persuasions out there. 

Just more of them in the conservative camp.



Do you mean like Leon Czolgosz, the anarchist who murdered President McKinley?

What about anarchist Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti who were convicted and executed for killing two payroll guards in cold blood from ambush?  These two men became cause celebs in every Liberal, Socialist, Marxists, and Communist organization in America only because the two desperadoes were not apprehended with the smoking guns still in their hands.  However even though modern forensic evidence linked one of the duos pistols to a slug dug out of the body of one of the guards, the Democrat Party, every Liberal party, every Socialist Party, every Marxist party, and every Communist party in America still claim that Sacco and Vanzetti were innocent.  Its a lie.

How's about Walter Reuther, the future president of the United Auto Workers Union and Walter's brother Victor who both worked for Joseph Stalin in the  1930s teaching Russians how to make automobiles by setting up an American auto assembly line at the Soviet industrial city of Gorky?  Blue, don't give me any of your lip about American jobs fleeing our shores.  The UAWs own president started the trend and he is partially responsible for his own union's jobs leaving these shores and taking root in Russia.

How's about the guy who made the statement, "I kill kings and presidents first and next all capitalists." I am talking about Giuseppe Zangara who killed the Polish mayor of Chicago and wounded a hand full of others in his February 1933 unsuccessful attempt to assassinate President elect Franklin Roosevelt.

I should but I won't mention the New York Times' Moscow foreign correspondent who was complicit in the murder of 8,000,000 Ukrainians.  Stalin simply starved these 8 millions to death by confiscating all the food the Ukraine produced for two years in order to quite the hungry bellies of Russian city dwellers who Stalin saw as a bigger threat to his continued rule than Ukrainian peasants were.  But hey, it's called spreading the wealth around.  But I won't mention Walter Durant's name or take the lying, Quisling, "Blood Flag red" Nazi aping New York Times to task for refusing to return the Pulitzer Prize for "Creativity in Journalism" that the New York Times won with Stalin's and Durant's help.

el Duci (Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini) was named for three early socialist heroes by his Socialist black smith father. Mussolini started life as a Marxist and by 1930 he was a fast friend of the future American Leftist President Franklin Roosevelt with whom Mussolini privately exchanged many ideas, letters, and gifts. Even after Mussolini was rescued by German Forces and he established an Italian/German puppet State in Northern Italy, el Duci named his new puppet state the SOCIALIST Republic of Italy.  Don't give me any of your revisionist BS history Blue, that is if you value you Bee Master reputation.  By the way, Mussolini and the current occupant of the White House both enjoyed similar relationships with the press.

I really won't go into the many Communist in FDR's Cabinet except to mention Alger Hiss.  Decades after lying to Congress Hiss still enjoyed the continued support and praises of American left wing radicals until the fall of the USSR when KGB secrets came to light proving that California Senator Richard Nixon was correct about Harvard Professor Hiss being a spy for Stalin and Communist Russia.  When this information was confirmed all Comrade Hiss's support evaporated because there is only one thing that a Communist or other Leftist can't abide in his fellow Leftist or Communist and that thing is vindicating President Richard Millhouse Nixon's red busting crusade.

Then there is the case of Harvey Greenglass.  In case you haven't heard about Mr. Greenglass he is was Julius Rosenberg's brother in law.  Greenglass stole the A-Bomb secrets form the Manhattan project and turned them over to his Sister and her husband Julius and Ethel Rosenberg who transmitted these secrets to their Communist Masters in the Soviet Union.  One reason you have never heard of Mr. Harvey Greenglass is because he ratted out his own sister and her husband in order to avoid walking the Green Mile and sitting in the electric chair himself.  If there is no honor among thieves there is even less honor among the Leftist.  Isn't that right Blue. 

Since I am no were near through listing violent leftist groups I'll close but let me first mention:
The Symbionese Liberation Army.  "The name 'symbionese' is taken from the word symbiosis and we define its meaning as a body of dissimilar bodies and organisms living in deep and loving harmony and partnership in the best interest of all within the body." --- Donald De Freeze, the founder and leader of the Symbionese Liberation Army that murdered to further its agenda.  You know Donald's words sounds eerily like some of the more left wing beeks posting on this sight.  Are you sure that you and Donald are not related Blue?   huh

Lets close with Ms. Angela Davis; Mr. Charles Manson; the Rev. Jim Jones; the Rev. David Koresh; several of Obama's friends; Heavens' Gate; the Weathermen; SDS; and whoever bombed the ammo train in Oakland California during the Viet Nam War.  By the way the railroad recently found an unexploded 1,000 pound bomb buried in the railroad bed ballast were this Leftist crime was committed. The list goes on and on and all Blue can do or say in return is try to change the subject or lie when that fails.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 11:41:23 PM »

How's about Walter Reuther, the future president of the United Auto Workers Union and Walter's brother Victor who both worked for Joseph Stalin in the  1930s teaching Russians how to make automobiles by setting up an American auto assembly line at the Soviet industrial city of Gorky?  Blue, don't give me any of your lip about American jobs fleeing our shores.  The UAWs own president started the trend and he is partially responsible for his own union's jobs leaving these shores and taking root in Russia.
Next to claiming to be a farmer, this might be the craziest thing you’ve written in a while. laugh  Do you honestly think the head of the UAW taught the Russians how to build automobiles?  With all due respect to your friends at the UAW, they don’t know BEANS about how to engineer a car, let alone an assembly plant.  You can’t build what you can’t engineer.  In their hay day the avg UAW worker was lucky to even have a high school diploma.  The UAW might have tried to build your infamous “steam” powered airplane, but teach the Russians anything about cars; NO!

As for the other kooks on your list, what do they have in common with Conservative groups?  Lots!  They loved to wrap themselves up around anti government rhetoric, holier than thou religion, and guns.  Oh yeah, let’s not forget the GUNs. laugh
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 12:28:08 AM »

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Do you honestly think the head of the UAW taught the Russians how to build

automobiles?  


Blue, let Beatrice Hansen enlighten you about Walter Reuther.

I would hate to spoil the affect this revelation could make on you by quoting a Right Wing Sight.  Hee Hee, Hee Hee, so here is a far left wing sight as they come.
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http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/swp-us/hanonreuth.htm

Beatrice Hansen was an active revolutionary for most of her life from the age of eleven, when she joined the Socialist Party’s Young Falcons, until her death on March 9, 1969, at the age of forty-three, when she had long been a member of the National Committee of the Socialist Workers Party...

Not long after the 1932 election campaign, Walter Reuther was fired at Ford. No reason was given, so we do not know if it was because of his political activities, or because he began to be interested in an AFL organizing campaign among Ford workers, or both. Before the plants were unionized you could be fired without a reason being given.

Anyhow, he was fired, and he and his brother Victor decided in 1933 that it would be a good idea to take a trip around the world in order to see how the workers of other countries lived and worked and fought. One of the places they were determined to visit was the Soviet Union, where a successful workers’ revolution had taken place in 1917. Reuther at that time considered himself a left socialist in favor of the Russian revolution. They visited Berlin twenty-four hours after the Reichstag fire, where they saw young workers beaten by the Nazis and watched the stormtroopers pull in many people much like their parents. They went on the Soviet Union and there worked in an auto plant built by Ford. Reuther was quickly promoted to a post of leader in a labor brigade, and for his production he won bonuses and medals.

This happens to be one of the controversial parts of Reuther’s biography, one that he’s especially embarrassed to have discussed. They spent sixteen months in the Soviet Union, or most of the time they were abroad. Reuther now claims that he was shocked by the Stalinist dictatorship he saw in Russia and the terrorism against the Soviet workers. But there is no evidence of a documentary nature to support this claim. It doesn’t seem logical, if they were really so shocked, that they would have stayed for sixteen months—working in the plants, discussing with the Russian workers their problems, and writing articles for the Moscow newspapers on how to improve production and the standard of living of the workers.

Many years later the Reuthers were red-baited as sympathizers of the Soviet Union because of a letter written to a friend in Detroit by Victor Reuther in 1934. Actually there wouldn’t be anything dishonorable about the Reuthers being sympathizers of the Soviet Union at that time. But Reuther seems to think it would be, and he tries to hide and cover up and deny what he thought about the Soviet Union twenty or so years ago because now he is hostile to the Soviet Union and a supporter of the cold war against the Soviet Union and because, like all bureaucrats, he is embarrassed to let it be known that he has changed his position or was ever wrong on any question, now or in the past. Whether or not the 1934 letter is a fake, as the Reutherites now claim, there is little doubt that at that time Reuther was pro-Soviet and even pro-Stalinist, and that it carried over after he left the Soviet Union, because he collaborated with the American Stalinists after he returned to this country, at least for several years.

When Reuther came back to the U.S. at the end of 1935 the autoworkers were already stirring and chafing at the bit for unions. Things were beginning to happen in the plants in Detroit, as well as all over the country. The year before, 1934, was one of tremendous labor struggles, spearheaded by the Auto Lite strike in Toledo, the teamsters’ strike in Minneapolis, and the longshoremen’s general strike in San Francisco. Thousands poured in and out of the AFL as they arbitrated and aborted all the workers’ grievances. Yet in 1935, with the AFL thoroughly discredited, strikes still continued to erupt allover the country in auto. By April 1935, 30,000 GM workers were out in Ohio, and the first beachhead for unionizing GM was established. The outcome of this strike finally forced the AFL to set up its committee to investigate the organizing of the industrial workers. By October 1935 John L. Lewis resigned as vice president of the AFL and created the Committee for Industrial Organization.

In this job of organizing, Lewis had to turn to those he had previously opposed—the radicals. The UAW did not come by its militant and democratic traditions accidentally. Their foundations were consciously laid in the early stages of the union by the politically radical workers who were responsible for the first successful organization in auto—the Socialists, Stalinists, and Trotskyists. They were the only ones who had the courage and the conviction to do this job. Most of the union leaders of the time were radicals of one kind or another....

Ok BlueBee, Who's laughing now?
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 06:10:07 PM »

Well Kingbee, sometimes you reap what your sow.  

When there is little to no regulation in place, excessive greed usually rules the day.  We’ve seen that repeat over and over and over in history.  Pretty much a law of human behavior, regardless of politics.    

Who suffers?  Usually the workers and the environment.  So is it really a surprise that Walter Reuther was cynical and skeptical of the political process that allowed the auto barons to bully and control workers lives at a whim?


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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 08:31:54 PM »

It doesn't really make a hill of beans but I do want to point out how the left wing radicals responsible for the web page about the legendary UAW president Walter Reuther are smearing lipstick on a pig by claiming that Walter Reuther was fired from the Ford factory.  If he was fired it was a happy divorce because Walter Reuther and his brother Victor both traveled directly to the USSR (likely on Henry Ford's dime) to help build and install a Ford factory in the USSR.  Henry Ford was paid by the USSR to build this factory and among other things Walter Reuther set up the tool and die making operation in this Ford factory.  The Reuther brothers were also responsible for training the proletariat hero workers who manned the forges, foundries, punches, presses, dies, and assembly lines in Gorky Russia. 

To Walter Reuther's credit he knew or at least he learned how brutal the Workers Revolution really was.  Maybe 1,000 of the young idealistic Americans who went to Russia to help the Russian revolution succeed, ended with a bullet in their C1 vertebra as payment.  Thousands more had their papers confiscated and were prevented from ever returning home.  They simply knew too much about the Rodina and the people who ran the Soviet insane asylum for the Russians to ever allow these Americans to go home.

I am including a link to the rushes from the movie "REDS"  Notice that most of Obama's current actions are in line with the destruction of freedom as first practiced by the USSR.  Also if you have any doubt about Holly Wood's political neutrality watch these rushes.  This in my opinion is one reason why Walter Reuther and his brother only spent 16 months in the USSR, by then most people already knew the score or were learning fast.  From this time on Walter Reuther had one BIG similarity with our 40Th President Ronald Reagan, that similarity was a strong and lasting aversion to Communism and any other form of Marxism or Socialism.   
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 08:52:05 PM »

didn't henry ford have a reputation for treating he employees really well?  guess some people are never satisfied. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2013, 12:18:32 PM »

didn't henry ford have a reputation for treating he employees really well?  guess some people are never satisfied. 


To help Blue put a human face on inflation, Henry Ford was a dyed in the wool leftist.  Ford earned the lasting distrust of his fellow 20Th Century industrialist by instigating the $5 day when most industrial workers were lucky to earn $2.  Of course like most leftist like Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler, Henry Ford had an army of volunteer snoops listing at key holes and peeping through windows to help him enforce his leftist ideas of morality or healthy living.  To make this easier Ford workers were housed in "company" houses on the grounds of the Ford factories.  The better to save the environment don't you know.  This is also the same type of employee housing arrangement that was common back in the USSR.

If any of you are interested in these ideas and if you want to see were the ideas behind organic food and other leftist BS first became respectable, log on to Harvard Universitie's web sight, The Gutenberg Project, down load--and or read

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19924/19924-h/19924-h.htm
                                   
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2013, 11:44:26 PM »

So let me get this straight…. You’re saying Henry Ford was really the bad guy and Walther Ruether was really a hero in the end, like Reagan?  Sometimes your logic is hard to follow. I dunno

I guess you don’t include Thomas Edison as one of Fords contemporary industrialists?  They were the best of friends, BTW.  Both Michiganders I might add.  Next time you’re down in Naples, Florida maybe you should visit the Edison and Ford winter estates to pick up a little more history on the two  Wink

http://www.edisonfordwinterestates.org/

Need anymore history lessons?  grin
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2013, 12:26:19 AM »

Regan like Reuther saw the danger Communism posed.  Both men were committed anti Communist and both came out of the trade union movement and depression of the 1930s and had plenty of contacts with Communist.  As for Henry Ford, he and Obama were both Statist and would likely both get along fine.  Walter Reuther was not so much ashamed about his dalliance with Communism as he was determined to never let the forces of Communism take over the labor movement 
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