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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2013, 03:02:37 PM »

That's not how I heard the timeline described, but rather than argue I'll not. You may consider that "telling." I think it's pointless to bicker back and forth when my sources are always discredited.
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2013, 03:43:03 PM »

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That's not how I heard the timeline described, but rather than argue I'll not. You may consider that "telling." I think it's pointless to bicker back and forth when my sources are always discredited.

not sure what timeline you are talking about.  as for sources, you can go directly to them.  all the UN pre war reports are still available on the UN site last i looked.  you have to dig a bit, but they are there.

if you are going to use liberal blog sites to back your assertions, that's ok, but they need to have facts, not opinions.  facts can be checked.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2013, 03:48:12 PM »

i know not everyone has time to do stuff like dig around the UN website for prewar reports  grin  even if you had the time, you might not want to do it.

i posted this book before because it's got a great gathering if prewar intel AND all of the stuff is referenced so that you can go fact check stuff for yourself.

Bodanski was not in favor of  going into iraq.  neither was i, for that matter, although for different reasons that his.  this book is not a justification, but rather a compilation of info.

it's worth the read.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-History-Iraq-War/dp/B000GG4I24
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2013, 05:59:27 PM »

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100461159

this is our next looming disaster.  this guy says 5 to 10 years, but a lot of people think it will be less.  even at 10 years, we are looking at an imminent and shocking crash in life style. 

http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=2749&z=29

this was the first heads up that people should have gotten and it went by almost unnoticed.  other countries are going to watch how this works for Australia and follow on.  we are no longer the trusted currency that we were, and if you have traveled at all in the past few years, you know the dollar isn't worth much.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2013, 12:46:24 AM »

Do the conservatives always go looking for bad news?   Is it always dreary and gloomy in Conservative USA? thunder

I’m afraid I’m going to differ from Kathyp again. shocked  I don’t see this fear mongering as a disaster.   I see it as an opportunity to FINALLY fix our crazy budget problems.  I’ve seen little evidence either party is going to move mountains UNTIL there is a crisis underway.  The sooner the crisis, the sooner a long term solution.  Actually I think this is the position some of our Republican friends hold too. laugh  

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we are no longer the trusted currency that we were
Big deal, who cares huh  While the Average Joe, Jane, and Spot would probably agree with you, they really don’t count because they’re not buying US debt bonds.  The people whom are buying the bonds obviously TRUST the bonds.  The bonds aren’t paying squat for yields, yet the market buys up and many as Obama throws at it!  If people didn't trust the dollar, the buyers would evaporate and the interest rates on the bonds would go way up..... to lure people to a riskier endeavor.  

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2013, 02:31:48 AM »

Do the conservatives always go looking for bad news?   Is it always dreary and gloomy in Conservative USA? thunder


As for conservatives always "looking for bad news"...

No, Blue, Actually what I'm looking for is an answer to a very simple question!  Let's stay focused on the topic of the thread, BO being a successful President.  Again, the one piece of evidence offered over and over again by you and Nonprophet for this is "look at the market".

So AGAIN, I ask....What "SPECIFICALLY" has BO done to create or aid the current market?Huh

I mean, don't get me wrong, the cheap shot at Conservatives is predictable and the little black rain cloud is cute and all....But really, all we need is an ANSWER to a very basic question. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2013, 03:10:48 AM »

Ok Blue, nothing from Nonprophet, so this is your opportunity to educate me.
I'm too tired tonight, but I suppose I can TRY next time I log on.  Get your thinking cap ready  Wink  
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2013, 07:07:04 AM »

Ok Blue, nothing from Nonprophet, so this is your opportunity to educate me.
I'm too tired tonight, but I suppose I can TRY next time I log on.  Get your thinking cap ready  Wink  

The anticipation is killing me grin, I'm on pins and needles!  laugh
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2013, 01:28:23 AM »

I know! I know! I know!!!!!   Pick me!!  Pick me!!!!!!
He's got his buddy, you know who, the Bernanke.  Yeah, that guy.  He's been printing 85 billion (yup I said 85,000,000,000) every month for a looonnnngg time now.  Thats why the stock market is in the bubble it's in now.  And every time he even so much as hints that it may not continue into infinity and beyond the market has a spasm as every hedge fund, investor or citezen puts there finger on the button to beat everyone else at getting out before their left holding the bag after the crash. 

As for conservatives always "looking for bad news"...

No, Blue, Actually what I'm looking for is an answer to a very simple question!  Let's stay focused on the topic of the thread, BO being a successful President.  Again, the one piece of evidence offered over and over again by you and Nonprophet for this is "look at the market".

So AGAIN, I ask....What "SPECIFICALLY" has BO done to create or aid the current market?Huh
I mean, don't get me wrong, the cheap shot at Conservatives is predictable and the little black rain cloud is cute and all....But really, all we need is an ANSWER to a very basic question. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2013, 11:49:53 AM »

facts can be checked.
That's what I hate about these conversations. NOTHING is seen as a fact by anyone, if it doesn't agree with their own beliefs, "facts" and sources. I cannot give you a source that you'll accept.
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2013, 12:53:04 PM »

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NOTHING is seen as a fact by anyone, if it doesn't agree with their own beliefs, "facts" and sources. I cannot give you a source that you'll accept.


you could try.  when i am refuting a point by liberals, i look for the most liberal source i can find to make my point.  it gives me a headache, but i try.  evil  if i can't find a truly liberal source, i try for one that's at least considered middle of the road. 

if you use a source like the Huff, or MoveOn, most conservatives are going to reject it out of hand because they know what comes out of those places.  if i use www.breitbart.com,  you will reject it as a conservative site.

it's easy to find stuff to support your point with sources that you know support your point.  it's hard to get people to go there with you though.  +, it's not necessarily the sources that's the problem.  a liberal source that presents what they consider facts is ok because we can refute the facts, or...not.  if it's an opinion piece, you can't do much with that.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
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