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« on: May 28, 2013, 01:39:23 PM »

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/05/28/18558265-obama-is-clearly-the-worst-socialist-ever?lite
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2013, 04:14:42 PM »

i have neither the time, nor the patience to read crap from MSNBC.  i'm guessing that she's pushing back on the oft made claim that obama is a socialist.

obama as raised with communists, his mentors were communists, his churches were communist and black liberation theology which is communist.  his father, grandfather, and also his church were anti colonialists.

so is he a good socialist?  not in the karl marx type.  is he a redistributionist?  you bet.  in the international punish the colonialist and make it up to the poor oppressed masses type.  he doesn't really care that much about helping the poor in this country by taking from the wealthy...classic socialism.  he cares about cutting the entire country down to size so that stuff can be given to those countries that rich colonialists have stolen from.

he is also a statist in the classic form.  all things should be managed from the top. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 04:17:34 PM »

hey nonprophet, maybe you can answer a question we never get answered: what, specifically, do you like about obama.  which programs, etc.  there must be some specific reasons you support him?
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2013, 04:20:39 PM »

i have neither the time, nor the patience to read crap from MSNBC.  i'm guessing that she's pushing back on the oft made claim that obama is a socialist.

obama as raised with communists, his mentors were communists, his churches were communist and black liberation theology which is communist.  his father, grandfather, and also his church were anti colonialists.

so is he a good socialist?  not in the karl marx type.  is he a redistributionist?  you bet.  in the international punish the colonialist and make it up to the poor oppressed masses type.  he doesn't really care that much about helping the poor in this country by taking from the wealthy...classic socialism.  he cares about cutting the entire country down to size so that stuff can be given to those countries that rich colonialists have stolen from.

he is also a statist in the classic form.  all things should be managed from the top. 

What she said!  grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 04:22:55 PM »

hey nonprophet, maybe you can answer a question we never get answered: what, specifically, do you like about obama.  which programs, etc.  there must be some specific reasons you support him?

He won't.....He can't!  Smiley

He'll just keep drinking the Kool-aid and spouting the liberal talking points!  laugh
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 04:34:49 PM »

   

    Its why it is such a waste of time debating Leftist. I have never been able to get them to answer a direct question. BB and Non are perfect examples.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2013, 04:38:17 PM »

As Margaret Thatcher once said "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money".
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 06:07:11 PM »

I find it humorous--yet predictable--that none of you bothered to check out the link, but of course had no problem heaping on the criticism when you had no idea what was even being discussed!  Too funny, yet sort of sad.....

Anyway, the point of the post is that with the Dow hitting yet another all time record high, that means that the stock market has increased in value under Obama's watch more than any other president in history! http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/24/business/Under-Obama-Stocks-Do-Better.html?ref=economy&_r=0 Not bad for an anti-capitalist/socialist/communist, eh?

Oh, by the way, do you know which president had the second highest increase in stock market value while they were in office?  Yep, Bill Clinton!
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2013, 06:23:08 PM »

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Oh, by the way, do you know which president had the second highest stock market value?  Yep, Bill Clinton!

ah yes.  he also had one of the largest drops, not counting the dot com crash.

it's not surprising that the left supports the economic policies that it does when they point to the stock market as an indicator of economic health.

so...nonprophet, what is the underlying reason for the rise in the stock market?

does it ever occur to you to prop up your points with a source that is not from the far left? 
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 07:36:45 PM »

I find it humorous--yet predictable--that none of you bothered to check out the link, but of course had no problem heaping on the criticism when you had no idea what was even being discussed!  Too funny, yet sort of sad.....

Anyway, the point of the post is that with the Dow hitting yet another all time record high, that means that the stock market has increased in value under Obama's watch more than any other president in history! http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/24/business/Under-Obama-Stocks-Do-Better.html?ref=economy&_r=0 Not bad for an anti-capitalist/socialist/communist, eh?

Oh, by the way, do you know which president had the second highest stock market value?  Yep, Bill Clinton!


    Can you tell us who had control of the purse strings when Clinton was in office?  Hint.....they had to drag him to the "welfare well" three times to get him to sign on to welfare reform. Ever notice how Clinton likes to take credit for this reform?
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 08:28:45 PM »

clinton was pretty pragmatic.  he wanted to govern, not rule.  much of the nutty far left stuff came from Hillary.  bill on his own was far more middle of the road.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 08:54:22 PM »

Nonprophet,
I did look at the link...what do you want me to say?  When you Cherry Pick stats you can make anyone look good.
Besides, the market is up in spite of BO being President, not because of his being President. If you think otherwise, by all means list "in detail" exactly what you think BO has done to create the rise in the market.
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2013, 09:46:22 AM »

Yes, Obama has done an amazing job so far.   applause applause applause

It's sad that some just won't even look. Sad
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2013, 10:29:55 AM »

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If you think otherwise, by all means list "in detail" exactly what you think BO has done to create the rise in the market.

ever notice that when you ask that question, or some variation of it, you never get an answer?
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Yes, Obama has done an amazing job so far.   applause applause applause

It's sad that some just won't even look. Sad

   "Amazing job".....There are two Americans who would disagree with you BB. They can't, They are DEAD!

    On Sept 11, 2012 at 5pm Obama is advised of the attacks on Benghazi. 5 hours later Obama calls H. Clinton. ( at this time two of the Americans are still alive, fighting for their lives ) Shortly there after, the State Dept. releases the Video talking points. This time frame is the important part of the Benghazi puzzle. Other than the call to Clinton, where was Obama and what was he doing. The Whitehouse refuses to answer this question.

    Yes, an amazing job.   applause applause applause
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2013, 11:00:46 AM »

but, according to Obama, they knew and accepted the risk! 
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2013, 12:55:41 PM »

Yes, Obama has done an amazing job so far.   applause applause applause

It's sad that some just won't even look. Sad

   "Amazing job".....There are two Americans who would disagree with you BB. They can't, They are DEAD!

    On Sept 11, 2012 at 5pm Obama is advised of the attacks on Benghazi. 5 hours later Obama calls H. Clinton. ( at this time two of the Americans are still alive, fighting for their lives ) Shortly there after, the State Dept. releases the Video talking points. This time frame is the important part of the Benghazi puzzle. Other than the call to Clinton, where was Obama and what was he doing. The Whitehouse refuses to answer this question.

    Yes, an amazing job.   applause applause applause
I'm sure you were reviling Bush for the 1000s and 10,000s who have died in his war against WMD.
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2013, 01:24:31 PM »

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I'm sure you were reviling Bush for the 1000s and 10,000s who have died in his war against WMD.

sure. as much as i did the UN, French, Jordanians, etc.,  from whom our information came, and who believed he had them also.

now...let me ask you:  what two sources gave us most of the WMD info?

see, you think history started with your awareness that there was a war.  it didn't.  if you bothered going back and learning what was really going on, it might not change your mind about war, but it would certainly inform you.

we also messed around with the UN for a year while convoys of trucks entered Syria and Lebanon. why did the Israilies push into the Bakkah Valley? i think they did it because we asked them to check out what had been taken there.  unfortunately, they didn't make it.

 i don't know what was on those trucks.  do you ever wonder if some of what went on then, makes a difference in how things are being handled now?  why is Syria being handled differently that other arab countries?  
i don't have an answer.  i do think it's important to think outside the box and be aware of what's going on around us.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2013, 01:27:47 PM »

Yes, Obama has done an amazing job so far.   applause applause applause

It's sad that some just won't even look. Sad

Ok Blue, nothing from Nonprophet, so this is your opportunity to educate me. Y'all claim BO is doing a great job and the one battle cry y'all offer is "look at the stock market"! 

So I ask...AGAIN...Please list in detail EXACTLY what has BO DONE TO CAUSE OR AID the rise in the market?
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2013, 02:06:21 PM »

Yes, Obama has done an amazing job so far.   applause applause applause

It's sad that some just won't even look. Sad

   "Amazing job".....There are two Americans who would disagree with you BB. They can't, They are DEAD!

    On Sept 11, 2012 at 5pm Obama is advised of the attacks on Benghazi. 5 hours later Obama calls H. Clinton. ( at this time two of the Americans are still alive, fighting for their lives ) Shortly there after, the State Dept. releases the Video talking points. This time frame is the important part of the Benghazi puzzle. Other than the call to Clinton, where was Obama and what was he doing. The Whitehouse refuses to answer this question.

    Yes, an amazing job.   applause applause applause
I'm sure you were reviling Bush for the 1000s and 10,000s who have died in his war against WMD.

    Ok Luvin, non, BB. I will address your point. As a conservative I pay attention to what people say. I saw and heard H. Clinton say, " I have had my people study this and because of the information I have, I believe Iraq has WMD s ".  The point being, lots and lots of people claimed the WMD s were there. When people accuse Bush of lying, I have to take this with a grain of salt. The fact Sadam used wmd s during the war with Iran seems to be ignored. Kathp has it right. Caravans of trucks were leaving Iraq through Syria.

    BB. Non.   Now you know how to respond to a QUESTION. No charge!

    By the way. Its telling you chose to change the subject. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2013, 03:02:37 PM »

That's not how I heard the timeline described, but rather than argue I'll not. You may consider that "telling." I think it's pointless to bicker back and forth when my sources are always discredited.
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2013, 03:43:03 PM »

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That's not how I heard the timeline described, but rather than argue I'll not. You may consider that "telling." I think it's pointless to bicker back and forth when my sources are always discredited.

not sure what timeline you are talking about.  as for sources, you can go directly to them.  all the UN pre war reports are still available on the UN site last i looked.  you have to dig a bit, but they are there.

if you are going to use liberal blog sites to back your assertions, that's ok, but they need to have facts, not opinions.  facts can be checked.
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2013, 03:48:12 PM »

i know not everyone has time to do stuff like dig around the UN website for prewar reports  grin  even if you had the time, you might not want to do it.

i posted this book before because it's got a great gathering if prewar intel AND all of the stuff is referenced so that you can go fact check stuff for yourself.

Bodanski was not in favor of  going into iraq.  neither was i, for that matter, although for different reasons that his.  this book is not a justification, but rather a compilation of info.

it's worth the read.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-History-Iraq-War/dp/B000GG4I24
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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2013, 05:59:27 PM »

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100461159

this is our next looming disaster.  this guy says 5 to 10 years, but a lot of people think it will be less.  even at 10 years, we are looking at an imminent and shocking crash in life style. 

http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=2749&z=29

this was the first heads up that people should have gotten and it went by almost unnoticed.  other countries are going to watch how this works for Australia and follow on.  we are no longer the trusted currency that we were, and if you have traveled at all in the past few years, you know the dollar isn't worth much.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2013, 12:46:24 AM »

Do the conservatives always go looking for bad news?   Is it always dreary and gloomy in Conservative USA? thunder

I’m afraid I’m going to differ from Kathyp again. shocked  I don’t see this fear mongering as a disaster.   I see it as an opportunity to FINALLY fix our crazy budget problems.  I’ve seen little evidence either party is going to move mountains UNTIL there is a crisis underway.  The sooner the crisis, the sooner a long term solution.  Actually I think this is the position some of our Republican friends hold too. laugh  

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Big deal, who cares huh  While the Average Joe, Jane, and Spot would probably agree with you, they really don’t count because they’re not buying US debt bonds.  The people whom are buying the bonds obviously TRUST the bonds.  The bonds aren’t paying squat for yields, yet the market buys up and many as Obama throws at it!  If people didn't trust the dollar, the buyers would evaporate and the interest rates on the bonds would go way up..... to lure people to a riskier endeavor.  

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2013, 02:31:48 AM »

Do the conservatives always go looking for bad news?   Is it always dreary and gloomy in Conservative USA? thunder


As for conservatives always "looking for bad news"...

No, Blue, Actually what I'm looking for is an answer to a very simple question!  Let's stay focused on the topic of the thread, BO being a successful President.  Again, the one piece of evidence offered over and over again by you and Nonprophet for this is "look at the market".

So AGAIN, I ask....What "SPECIFICALLY" has BO done to create or aid the current market?Huh

I mean, don't get me wrong, the cheap shot at Conservatives is predictable and the little black rain cloud is cute and all....But really, all we need is an ANSWER to a very basic question. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2013, 03:10:48 AM »

Ok Blue, nothing from Nonprophet, so this is your opportunity to educate me.
I'm too tired tonight, but I suppose I can TRY next time I log on.  Get your thinking cap ready  Wink  
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2013, 07:07:04 AM »

Ok Blue, nothing from Nonprophet, so this is your opportunity to educate me.
I'm too tired tonight, but I suppose I can TRY next time I log on.  Get your thinking cap ready  Wink  

The anticipation is killing me grin, I'm on pins and needles!  laugh
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2013, 01:28:23 AM »

I know! I know! I know!!!!!   Pick me!!  Pick me!!!!!!
He's got his buddy, you know who, the Bernanke.  Yeah, that guy.  He's been printing 85 billion (yup I said 85,000,000,000) every month for a looonnnngg time now.  Thats why the stock market is in the bubble it's in now.  And every time he even so much as hints that it may not continue into infinity and beyond the market has a spasm as every hedge fund, investor or citezen puts there finger on the button to beat everyone else at getting out before their left holding the bag after the crash. 

As for conservatives always "looking for bad news"...

No, Blue, Actually what I'm looking for is an answer to a very simple question!  Let's stay focused on the topic of the thread, BO being a successful President.  Again, the one piece of evidence offered over and over again by you and Nonprophet for this is "look at the market".

So AGAIN, I ask....What "SPECIFICALLY" has BO done to create or aid the current market?Huh
I mean, don't get me wrong, the cheap shot at Conservatives is predictable and the little black rain cloud is cute and all....But really, all we need is an ANSWER to a very basic question. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2013, 11:49:53 AM »

facts can be checked.
That's what I hate about these conversations. NOTHING is seen as a fact by anyone, if it doesn't agree with their own beliefs, "facts" and sources. I cannot give you a source that you'll accept.
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2013, 12:53:04 PM »

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NOTHING is seen as a fact by anyone, if it doesn't agree with their own beliefs, "facts" and sources. I cannot give you a source that you'll accept.


you could try.  when i am refuting a point by liberals, i look for the most liberal source i can find to make my point.  it gives me a headache, but i try.  evil  if i can't find a truly liberal source, i try for one that's at least considered middle of the road. 

if you use a source like the Huff, or MoveOn, most conservatives are going to reject it out of hand because they know what comes out of those places.  if i use www.breitbart.com,  you will reject it as a conservative site.

it's easy to find stuff to support your point with sources that you know support your point.  it's hard to get people to go there with you though.  +, it's not necessarily the sources that's the problem.  a liberal source that presents what they consider facts is ok because we can refute the facts, or...not.  if it's an opinion piece, you can't do much with that.

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