Need Bees Removed?
International
Beekeeping Forums
September 22, 2014, 02:19:06 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: ATTENTION ALL NEW MEMBERS
PLEASE READ THIS OR YOUR ACCOUNT MAY BE DELETED - CLICK HERE
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar bee removal Login Register Chat  

Pages: 1 2 [3]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: No Tesla for Iddee  (Read 6358 times)
kingbee
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1083


Location: Big bend of the Tennessee River


« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2013, 08:21:08 PM »

....
...when I was actively trading it was prior to the Obama years. Sad  I’ll admit I didn’t catch the doubling of the S&P under Obama   Cry 

So in order to get the benefits from the phantom Obama 100% rebound, you would also need to experience the gut wrenching 50% downturn in stock prices. Which means that lacking some very lucky and did I mention fancy foot work, today you would only be back were you started 6 years ago, less inflation, taxes, and trading fees.  Or do you mean to tell us that you were one of the secured note holders who Obama cheated during the Government and Crises Motors bankruptcy scam. 
Logged
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2013, 11:51:21 PM »

No bond holder kingbee.  The GM bonds were rated by all the agencies as JUNK at the time and only the speculators were still holding them.  Lookup the term speculator and what do you find?

KathyP, unfortunately CA is WAY too big of a sales market for the auto companies to ignore. Sad  Detroit has done a descent job fighting CARB and trying to delay their most ridiculous rules, but the bottom line is you have to sell cars to stay in business.  CARB won’t let a company sell ANY cars in CA if you don’t follow their rules on hybrids, electrics, and the like.  If someplace like Maine tried to dictate to the auto companies, they would soon find themselves riding horses again.  The Feds aren't as strict as CA because of the unique atmospheric conditions of southern CA; as we've already discussed.  

Moots, as for not doing what the politicians demand; that sounds good on paper, but we are a land of laws.  See how far you can get next time fighting City Hall.
Logged
Moots
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1462


Location: Gonzales LA (Southeastern Louisiana)


« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2013, 08:37:23 AM »


Moots, as for not doing what the politicians demand; that sounds good on paper, but we are a land of laws.  See how far you can get next time fighting City Hall.


Blue,
COME ON.....You're a smart guy.  I really shouldn't have to clarify statements that should be obvious to anyone that's at least as bright as a small appliance light bulb.  Smiley

Doing things because the law states that you must, and doing things because it seems like the "politically correct" thing to do and the "politicians demand" it are two Very, VERY different things.  Was a LAW passed that required GM to build the VOLT that I missed?

That's another problem with our current political climate....Politicians are elected to "serve" the public, not to make "demands" of the public. A lot of people, especially the politicians, seem to forget that!
Logged

"We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."
                                                                                                                   - Ronald Reagan
kingbee
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1083


Location: Big bend of the Tennessee River


« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2013, 05:15:16 AM »

I you have an early appointment here is a little reading material that might make it hard for you to oversleep or maybe even make it difficult to fall asleep.

THE UP TO DATE, BUT HARDELY THE COMPLETE LIST OF THE OBAMA ADMINSTRATION'S FAILED, FALTERING, IN THE RED, OR BANKRUPT GREEN ENERGY COMPANIES:   

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
 SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
 Solyndra ($535 million)*
 Beacon Power ($43 million)*
 Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
 SunPower ($1.2 billion)
 First Solar ($1.46 billion)
 Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
 EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
 Amonix ($5.9 million)
 Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
 Abound Solar ($400 million)*
 A123 Systems ($279 million)*
 Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
 Johnson Controls ($299 million)
 Schneider Electric ($86 million)
 Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
 ECOtality ($126.2 million)
 Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
 Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
 Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
 Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
 Range Fuels ($80 million)*
 Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
 Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
 Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
 GreenVolts ($500,000)
 Vestas ($50 million)
 LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
 Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
 Navistar ($39 million)
 Satcon ($3 million)*
 Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
 Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

So far, 36 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy and other agencies. The amount of money indicated does not reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these companies have received from taxpayers even higher.

http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2012/10/20/list-36-obama-s-taxpayer-funded-green-energy-failures#ixzz2VnmyJ6K3
Logged
kingbee
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1083


Location: Big bend of the Tennessee River


« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2013, 05:40:49 PM »

I love it when the Hippie Dippy Liberals squirm, wiggle, crawdad and writhe like a fat maggot on a fire ant hill.  It happens every time the government casts its envious eyes on the Hippie Dippy Liberals money.  The Hippie Dips have already banked tax rebates on their hybrid and electric cars that often run into the thousands, and this cash came out of thin air or at least without the libs having to pay a cent in personal income taxes.  Now these same Hippie Dippy libs want the working men and women of North Carolina to do without so the Hippie Dippy libs can continue enjoying their elite and privileged lifestyles without paying their fair share.   iddee, can you spell hypocrite?  is it spelled T-e-s-l-a or V-o-l-t?   
Logged
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2013, 05:58:44 PM »

Was a LAW passed that required GM to build the VOLT that I missed?

When one doesn’t keep educated on the facts, one can miss a lot of things….. Sad

The LAW in CA has REQUIRED the automakers to make electric vehicles and/or hybrids for MANY years.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/smart-transportation-solutions/advanced-vehicle-technologies/electric-cars/californias-zero-emission-1.html

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/05/carb-california-to-boost-mandate-for-electric-cars.html
Logged
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2013, 06:09:02 PM »

Kingbee, the spelling bee for NC is not hypocrisy, it’s “cronyism”. 

What they're doing is FORCING automakers to GIVE business and profits to shell name LLCs in NC.  Why is that a good thing for capitalism?  It's forced distribution of profits.  It sounds more like your beloved socialism to me.  huh
Logged
Moots
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1462


Location: Gonzales LA (Southeastern Louisiana)


« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2013, 06:11:43 PM »

Was a LAW passed that required GM to build the VOLT that I missed?

When one doesn’t keep educated on the facts, one can miss a lot of things….. Sad

The LAW in CA has REQUIRED the automakers to make electric vehicles and/or hybrids for MANY years.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/smart-transportation-solutions/advanced-vehicle-technologies/electric-cars/californias-zero-emission-1.html

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/05/carb-california-to-boost-mandate-for-electric-cars.html



Blue,
I really don't give a rats rear end what the leftist loons in California are doing.  But I do understand math, based on the flop that the Volt has been, GM possibly would have been better off pulling out of the California market.  laugh

Regardless of the laws on the west coast, obviously GM made some bad decisions in regards to this vehicle....I don't see any of the other major car companies carrying a giant loss leader, governmental subsidized flop like the Volt....YET, they're still in business and not in jail!  Apparently, they've stayed "educated" on the topic and the only thing they've missed in the huge losses that GM is having with the Volt! lau
Logged

"We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."
                                                                                                                   - Ronald Reagan
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6056

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2013, 09:40:34 PM »

Hey, Blue, is New York in North Carolina??

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/22/ny-dealers-try-to-make-it-illegal-to-register-a-tesla/


Specifically, Green Car Reports says, there are two nearly identical bills being stealthily moved through the New York state legislature (Assembly bill A07844 and State bill S05725) that would prohibit the state from registering any vehicles that had not been sold through an independent third party (i.e., a dealer).
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2013, 11:39:12 PM »

Here’s the ironic thing. laugh  Y’all seem to despise the UAW because the union organization gives it power for political corruption and favoritism.  Yet when some millionaire businessmen want to jack up the prices for the cars you buy (eg dealerships) using their political contacts, you seem to have no problem with that.  GM even told congress that a bunch of dealerships needed to be shut down because they were BAD business!  Did that happen?  Of coarse not.  Kingbees good ole boy Sen Corker said no way!  He was all in favor to liquidate Detroit, but not those dealers in the great state of TN. police   

Our conservative friends also love to complain about inflation (albeit imaginary).  Well, what do you think happens when you restrict how, and who, can sell a product down there?  Competition goes down and prices go UP!
Logged
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6056

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2013, 08:27:57 AM »

You started this thread, not me. I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Personally, I think the manufacturer should have the right to sell however he wants. I'm just letting you know it isn't something to attack NC over. Your yankee friends are doing the same thing.
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
kingbee
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1083


Location: Big bend of the Tennessee River


« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2013, 01:37:14 AM »

One of the big things my old pal Blue isn't getting is that each state is required by law to issue a title for every new or used car registered in that specific state.  On most cars sold there is the little (or maybe not so little) thing called sales tax.

This hot to trot over fairness business is good.  Therefore it is only "fair" to the UAW's rank file as well as Government Motors' executives to collect state and local sales taxes on new automobiles by first figuring out how much the sales price really is.  So if the state new automobile sales tax rate is say 5% and the sticker price is $75,000 but the Federal Government provided an additional $75,000 in incentives, then the sales price is $150,000, not 75k.  $150,000 times 5% auto sales tax = $7,500 dollars of sales tax.  

Then in some states the annual cost of your car tag is an advalorem or property tax.  This means that the first full year of ownership a tag or license plate can cost from a few hundreds of dollars to several thousands of dollars but this cost decreases each subsequent year as the value of the car declines.  In reality this Tesla thing in the Tar Heel and the Empire states is likely a tax storm in a tea cup.  Tesla needs to sit down, shut up and pay its fair share, and at the same time help the Tar Heel state tax man saddle up and ride Tesla's customers into the poor house.  I have yet to meet a Democrat who though that corporations and the fashionably rich paid their fair share.  You aren't going to spoil my perfect record are you Blue?  

Having worked in this field there is also a little thing that comes with all new automobiles called a "Certificate of Origination."  This paper work is required before the state DMV can issue the registered owner a certificate of title on a new automobile.  The dealer turns the Certificate of Origination into the state along with the sales information and the state department of motor vehicles issues a title for that car in the registered owner's name.  Legally any new car becomes a used car the instant the certificate of origination is surrendered by the selling new car dealer, and the state DMV issues a certificate of title for that car.  If the car is financed the title is mailed directly to the finance company and they hold the title hostage until the lien is paid in full or satisfied.

At which time the finance company signs the front of the title indicating that the loan or lien was satisfied and then sends the title to the registered owner or to any junior or secondary lien holder named on the front of the title. If at any time the registered owner wishes to sell his Tesla or any other car for that matter then that owner had better dang well have his title in his gasoline stained hands, because a clean or clear title is required before you can legally sell, buy, trade, dismantle, or scrap an automobile.  What we have in North Carolina is a failure on the part of the Tesla motor car company to communicate.  

Finally all of Barry's 58 states including North Carolina and New York have an obligation to the community to protect property values.  Abandoned and derelict Tesla's sitting up on blocks, and gathering rust in the front yards of Mc-Mansions from a lack of spare parts or dealer service, is no ones idea on how to help Tesla owners keep their busy body, homeowners association at bay.

OK Blue, now tell us again how the millionaire UAW's rank and file causing car prices to skyrocket is any different from millionaire businessmen causing car prices to skyrocket???  
« Last Edit: June 28, 2013, 10:11:00 PM by kingbee » Logged
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2013, 02:58:09 AM »

Kingbee did you eat a tainted crawdad tonight huh 

Since when do you think it’s good business to stick everybody and everything with a TAX so they can pay their “fair share”?  You’re beginning to sound like one of those union guys  lau   
Logged
kingbee
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1083


Location: Big bend of the Tennessee River


« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2013, 11:29:28 AM »

Come on down Blue and I'll teach you how to eat a crawdad's tail and suck its head.  Yum!!!

Oh BTW, all mudbugs are a little tainted, why do you think that we purge them before cooking???

Laissez les bons temps rouler!!! Yeaheee!!!!
Logged
kingbee
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1083


Location: Big bend of the Tennessee River


« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2013, 10:15:51 PM »

....  

Since when do you think it’s good business to stick everybody and everything with a TAX so they can pay their “fair share”? 

You’re beginning to sound like one of those union guys  lau   


 lau   ROGLMAO   lau 
Logged
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2013, 07:35:53 PM »

Sounds like the Republicans in iddee’s state house aren’t doing NC any favors.  Now I hear they’ve raised your gasoline tax again. 

http://www.heraldonline.com/2013/06/29/4986721/north-carolinas-gas-tax-increases.html

LOL, a FOX New affiliate reporting!

Tax and Spend, Tax and Spend. shocked
Logged
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6056

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2013, 07:48:35 PM »

Who was in control when the tax was passed, Blue?
I agree, we are taxed to death, most of those taxes were passed by the left. I still remember 1961, when democrat governor Terry Sanford introduced the first sales tax on food. A ""temporary"" tax, according to him, that has grown from 3% to 8% in some areas, and still going.
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
cidersabuzzin
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 180


Location: Quantock Hills, Taunton-ish, Somerset, UK

vroom... vroom... but more like phut** phut**!


« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2013, 05:53:27 PM »

Bluebee, have you even read the article? First, it does NOT stop the sale of Tesla in NC. It stops the company from bypassing the dealerships and selling direct. What would happen if you bought one and had a problem with it? No dealership in the state to fix it. The company isn't set up to make repairs. You are stuck with a VERY expensive vehicle and no one to work on it, unless you want to pay a tow bill all the way back to the factory. Then pay public transportation fares to go and get it when done.  All the while reducing the employment of car dealers and their employees throughout the state. I thought Dems were for saving jobs. Thank goodness I won't have one. At least until they have dealers to care for them.

Iddee
Ever bought anything via the internet from the original maker? if it goes wrong who is responsible? the seller!they must pay for collection, repair and return of faulty goods, sale of goods act 1974......as amended etc....must be something similar in the US

the i
Logged

Whats good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?
The Ladies could still teach the Borg a thing or two!....and maybe us too, so long as we don't go too far to the left or right and fall off the edge...
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6056

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2013, 06:45:55 PM »

NO, nothing like that here. In a case like that, all warranty is "at the place of origin". Meaning you have to get it back to the manufacturer at your expense.
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
Pages: 1 2 [3]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Beemaster's Beekeeping Ring
Previous | Home | Join | Random | Next
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines | Sitemap Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.402 seconds with 22 queries.

Google visited last this page September 08, 2014, 11:14:12 AM