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« on: May 10, 2013, 04:42:38 PM »

Here is a video I stumbled-upon, I know a lot of it is factual, but so much seems to be a stretch at the very least. I'm curious from our diverse  membership, on a 0-100 scale on how/if you believe the content as described, how do you rate the video compilers description of Obama?

OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO - GEE, I WONDER WHY!.flv
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 05:04:45 PM »

good up 'til 1:43.  a  minor child can't renounce his citizenship, so IF he's natural born (Hawaii) the fact that his parents listed him as Indonesian doesn't matter.

other than that, everything in there is accurate as far as i know.  scary, isn't it?  we don't know who is in that office, but we do know who he's been hanging out with and every one of them were radicals, some islamist radicals, and communists.  no college buddies, or girl friends, or anything like that have ever said "hey, i knew him in college, we used to shoot hoops together".
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 06:00:04 PM »

one other thing.  the reason communism and islamism go together is the muslim view of the welfare state.   it's really the same as the communist view of how government and the people should relate..the difference between the two is only really the religious component.

add the above views to his dislike for the western, in his view, imperialist cultures, and you have the explanation for what he's done and the blueprint for where he wants to go.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 10:10:51 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 12:10:23 AM »

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Marxism and Fascism both are officially athiestic.

not necessarily.  black liberation theology, which is what his church was, is marxist.  the church his grandparents attended was communist.    early on, communist leaders tried to kill religion, but they were never successful.  they ended up co-opting it...except for the Chinese, who pretended it wasn't happening.  Hitler co-opted the churches and destroyed those who wouldn't play.  Mussolini, having first been communist, then fascist, would have been happy to kill religion, but italy is pretty catholic, so he didn't mess with them unless they messed with him.

islam is openly socialist. there's really no difference between the three except degree, and to some extent, the desire to proselytize.  most fascist countries historically have been more nationalist, while communist countries were determined to spread communism.  islam is the same only they don't care about spreading socialism, only islam.  smiley
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 01:58:02 AM »

I know I wish he wasn't the president, and hopefully more truth about benghazi will come out and people will realize he is just a outright liar, and cannot be trusted no matter what. I am not a birther by nature, but there is so much that hasn't been answered yet, and I just read the statutes in place for passing citizenship onto a child, and it says that at the time of his birth, from 53 - 86 I think it was the requirement is one parents that is a us citizen and the child has to of been in the us for 10 years or something of the sort, if they were not born in the us. I don't know....at this point it appears he is so horrible at being president we should just be able to get rid of him anyways, but we cannot it seems. at least we haven't so far.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 03:12:56 PM »

That religious component is a big one.  Marxism and Fascism both are officially atheistic.

Other than this one big un Marxism, Mohammedanism, and Fascism are all three opposite faces of the same coin in so far as all three are Socialist and attempt to organize society around shared values.  Those values are anti Capitalism and strict control of the means of production by the state, or body of law in the case of Mohammedanism.  Fascism is the only ism that doesn't have a guiding economic principle contained in it.

We are making a giant blunder if we try to sort out what was going on in Italy or in other Fascist states in Europe like Germany, Italy, Austria, Hungary, Rumania, Poland, Greece, Spain and Portugal during the twenties and thirties while wearing a pair of post WWII blinders.

People like American President Franklin Roosevelt and British MP and future Prime Minister Winston Churchill both praised Mussolini as "The greatest law giver of the age" etc and FDR especially carried on an extensive private correspondence with Mussolini.  He was viewed as both Europe's and the New World's bulwark against Marxism. This is IMHO why Churchill used such bitter words when in 1940 Italy entered WWII on Hitler's side.  Churchill believed that he and el Duce had a "special" relationship that would preclude Mussolini from entering WWII on the side of Italy's WWI enemy, Germany.  Churchill like Barry O today in Egypt had too high an opinion of his personality, and Churchill was gravely mistaken.  But you have to remember that Italy was stiffed at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 and did not receive the additional land they had requested in the Adriatic after the defeat of Germany and Austria, at the cost of 600,000 dead Italians I might add.  I look at it (and I think el Duce did too) as one of those cases of, "Cheat me once, shame on you.  Cheat me twice, shame on me!!!!"   
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 04:27:29 PM »

most of the lessons from WW2 need to have been taken from WW1.  for example, if not for the arrogance and bigotry of Wilson, Japan would never have been on the side of the Germans....

we probably make a mistake trying to apply a label to obama.  it's true that he was brought up as a Marxist.  it's true that all of his associations and mentors were Marxist.  i don't think that pure Marxism drives him, though.  if that were it, he'd be satisfied with pushing left wing agenda items...in fact, i think he'd do a better job of it.  he has the backing in his WH and much of government.

if it is true that his real goal is to bring down the colonialist societies, of which we are one, in his view, then Marxism is to narrow for his purpose.  it's just part of what he needs.
 
fortunately for us, it hasn't been as easy as he thought it would be. he's done a better job of "liberating" the repressed countries.  some think it's because he's a closet muslim, but i don't. i think his actions in the middle east have been apart of his plan to free those who have been oppressed by the puppets of the colonialists.  i honestly don't think he's thought about, or would care, how it all turns out. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 06:02:47 PM »

good up 'til 1:43.  a  minor child can't renounce his citizenship, so IF he's natural born (Hawaii) the fact that his parents listed him as Indonesian doesn't matter.

other than that, everything in there is accurate as far as i know.  scary, isn't it?  we don't know who is in that office, but we do know who he's been hanging out with and every one of them were radicals, some islamist radicals, and communists.  no college buddies, or girl friends, or anything like that have ever said "hey, i knew him in college, we used to shoot hoops together".

There was one gay guy that came out and said he and Barry used to get it on and for some unknown reason the gay guy died. I think he had a little video on facebook telling about it before he died.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 03:38:17 AM »

... most of the lessons from WW2 need to have been taken from WW1.  for example, if not for the arrogance and bigotry of Wilson, Japan would never have been on the side of the Germans....

If most of the lessons from WWI had been studied carefully, there would likely never have been a WWII.  Every time I think that we have hit a concensus on how terrible Barry is, you pull me back into defending him.

President Woodrow Wilson certainly was a racist of the first magnitude but so was almost every member of the North East University luminary at that time, at least a racist as we define such things today.  But this begs the earlier discussion in this forum about whether FDR, Woodrow Wilson, or John Kennedy Sr and Jr. Winston Churchill, Charles Lindbergh, and even Leftist playwright George Bernard Shaw were all Fascists by the definition of Fascism in effect in 1938.

At the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 President Wilson was approached by a young Nationalist emissary to discuss the possibility of freedom for his country from Colonialism.  By all accounts Wilson dismissed this young man like he was a domestic servant or something.  Wait a minute, he was a domestic servant and this young man had traveled half way around the world to Paris France, and taken a job waiting tables so that he could meet Wilson and enlist his help in freeing his country, from the yoke of Colonialism that the French had placed around its neck.  This young Nationalist's' name was Ho Chi Ming and his nation was Viet Nam.  

We shouldn't be too hard on Wilson just because he dragged us into a war that was none of our business.  But then Wilson compounded his error by allowing himself to be deceived, bamboozled, and deluded by the European statesmen of the day who were only too happy to show the wet behind the ears American rube now the game of Real Politics was played.  But France was just weeks removed from being our ally in Wilson' s war against the Hun and besides, Wilson was a guest of the French.  What's a polite University President with a PhD supposed to do, stand up for his ideals or something???

Now for some sniping at Churchill and a little more abuse heaped on Wilson's head.  The reason that the Japanese army was in China at the beginning of WWII was that His Majesty's First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill invited them in back in WWI.  The reason was that Brittan wanted the German Imperial Navy kicked out of their concession at Kiautschou Bay in China and the bloody British were not real interested in shedding good British (or in British eyes inferior colonials blood) to kick the German fleet out of their headquarters in Tsingtau.  So the British offered the Japanese a deal.  The deal was that the Japanese would do all of England's heavy Asian fighting in exchange for Chinese territory.  At the Paris Peace Conference the British reneged on their promise to Japan, Wilson stood up for the British and the Japanese delegation walked out of the Paris Peace Conference in a huff.  The Japanese felt as cheated as the Italians did.  Although the Japanese Army left China about 1925 in 10 years or less they were back.   

Were previously there was what were called "The Big 5 Allied Powers" sitting at the conference table in Paris now there were only 4. Soon Italy's PM Orlando would be recalled to Rome as the Italians gravitated to Mussolini and the Fascist who promised to get for Italy what in Italian eyes Wilson had cheated them out of.  Now there were now only 3 large powers.  In Wilson's defense he only viewed the Japanese, the Chinese and Ho Chi Ming as... as... well.... as Asians and everyone knew or though they knew that these people were in British eyes the "White Man's Burden."  I will not use the words what Wilson likely used in private when referring to Southern Europeans, especially to those Southern Europeans with vowels at the end of their names.  

The impression we left with the Japanese was this one, "If the West won't keep their promises to us, why should we fear their threats?  As a test that what I say is true, the Japanese fully expected the USA, Brittan, and Vichy France  to negotiate on Japan's terms after the Empire of Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941.  Why shouldn't they feel that way?  I repeat: If we don't keep the promises we make to other nations, who will believe that we'll make good on the threats we make to any nation?  Chad, Libya, Egypt, North Korea?  Iran?  Syria?  China,  OK then, you tell me, who?

Obama is trying in his own words for a "reset" or world wide Mulligan or redo that will not only erase the marks men like Churchill made, but also men like Gandhi and MLK because in Obama's universe these men would become warriors.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 07:48:21 AM »

a snip..
Marxism and Fascism both are officially atheistic.

tecumseh...
well since european fascism was closely allied with the catholic church you statement is either half right or half wrong?

another snip..
At the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 President Wilson was approached by a young Nationalist emissary to discuss the possibility of freedom for his country from Colonialism.  By all accounts Wilson dismissed this young man like he was a domestic servant or something.

tecumseh...
what I can remember (but man this old brain is growin' old) is that Woodrow Wilson did not attend the conference himself but sent a 'friend'... who I seem to recall was from Texas.  Wilson gave this 'friend' a set/list of absolute including the non payment of war reparations which his 'friend' toss one after the other until Wilson's own set of requirement was completely ignored.  I seem to also recall their was some question about Wilson own mental health at the time (depression I think) which is why he sent this friend.  After the so call friend returned I don't think he and Woodrow Wilson were friends any longer.

I am certain that tagging Wilson as 'a racist of the first magnitude' is a bit revisionist and a bit of a literary license.  
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 11:56:52 AM »


another snip..
At the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 President Wilson was approached by a young Nationalist emissary to discuss the possibility of freedom for his country from Colonialism.  By all accounts Wilson dismissed this young man like he was a domestic servant or something.

tecumseh...
what I can remember (but man this old brain is growin' old) is that Woodrow Wilson did not attend the conference himself but sent a 'friend'...


Hmmm....
Certainly looks like he was there... grin LINK!

Although, speaking of being a revisionist....that was certainly quite a story about the friend from Texas...
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 01:46:35 AM »

... since european fascism was closely allied with the catholic church you statement is either half right or half wrong?...

European Fascism at least German Fascism never was closely allied with the Catholic or any church.  Hitler did attempt to co-op religious institutions mostly by seizing their bank accounts and putting all priest and pastors on the government payroll.  The latter is a fine way to exercise total state control over religion.

While it is true that Franco and Estado Novo were looked on by the Catholic Church as saviors, also  remember that the Socialist but especially the Communist were killing priests or nuns and burning churches right and left, OK then, mostly LEFT, before Franco and his army returned from political exile in Spanish Morocco to fight the Revolutionaries.

As far as the church establishing a rat line for wanted Nazis.  The Church's position on helping those in need of help did not changed.  This subject is all over the place but at the worst the Catholic Church only tried to stay above of the fray.

As for Woodrow Wilson, after the Armistice he sailed to France multiple times and was in Paris for most of the Peace Confrance. There were some very and I do mean very unflattering things written in English diaries about Wilson .  Prime Minister Lloyd George was one of them.  Lloyd George was not the only Brittan to write unflattering things about Wilson but he saw more of Wilson than any other Brit.

When Germany signed the Armistice it was on the condition that peace would be made on Wilson's 14 points, it wasn't.  That was the first stab in the back. George then tried to reason with Wilson about German Reparations but he couldn't. The knife goes in deeper.  Right before the Germans were called to Paris and unceremoniously presented with the treaty the French helped Wilson write.  Wilson's false piety reared its ugly head.  Wilson dug in his heels so he could help God and the French (in that order) take vengeance on the Hun. The knife is twisted back and forth. Every time Wilson objected to a French demand, the French held Wilson's infant League of Nation over the fire by its ankles.  Every time Wilson capitulated.  The knife goes in all the way to the bolster.  Lloyd George wrote in his diary about Wilson that, "Its proving harder to un-bamboozle the D*** old Presbyterian than it was to bamboozle him in the first place."  George warned Wilson that if the Allies tried to make an enemy out of Germany, that Germany would not dissipoint the allies.  Wilson didn't care.  Germany didn't sign the treaty right away, instead Germany went through their entire foreign service before they found someone who had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel and who therefore didn't mind their name being seen on so flawed a document.

Wilson was a true believer in the KKK and he often screened pro Klan films like "Birth of a Nation" while he was in the White House and he committed favorably about the Klan lynching Jews and Blacks during these screenings.  Besides that Wilson segregated the Army, Navy, and Civil Service.  Now you have my permission to take that any way that you chose, but I choose to take it that Wilson was a racist of the first magnitude.  I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree about Wilson's racism.   
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2013, 06:59:52 PM »

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I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree about Wilson's racism.   

i don't really think there's any question about it and it goes beyond the normal thinking for the times.  it shouldn't be a surprise because that is the party of segregation right up through the 60's.  Kennedy may have had a real change of heart, but LBJ was a committed racist who only got interested in things like civil rights when he realized he needed the votes. 
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