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« on: May 04, 2013, 09:03:10 AM »

I have never been able to find a queen in one of my hives with new package.  Has been three weeks.  Comb is being pulled.  Noticed 3 emergency queen cells being pulled from center of frame yesterday.  Seems to be good time to introduce new queen.
What reaction(s) should I be looking for when I put a new queen into the hive?  The good, the bad and the ugly?
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 07:59:55 AM »

They may be supersedure cells and there may still be a queen in the hive.  Why not let them sort it out?  That way you don't condemn a queen to death if they do still have a queen, and they will simply follow their instinct to their natural conclusion while you don't have to spend money on a queen who probably isn't adapted to your climate anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 09:02:59 AM »

Couldn't you take a frame with eggs from one of your other hives to put in? That way if they are queenless, they can make their own queen. But if there is a queen, no harm done.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 10:50:39 PM »

Both  great suggestions  thank you.  One of the things that has confused me is having cells pulled from middle of the frame rather than built on bottom or side.  I have  two new hives and one struggling top bar.  So adding frame did not  cdosss my mind.   
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 11:18:44 PM »

and the other thing is, what else did you see?  eggs, larvae, anything?  you buy a queen and put her in with the old one and you have probably just wasted your money. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 11:59:43 PM »

I did not see eggs, or capped brood.  There must have been some there, they were pulling queen cells from somewhere, right. . . But? 
The concerns I had were/are fueled by my inexperience and impatience.  I had been reading posts about laying workers/lost hives.  Our spring has been cold.  And I have a streak of control freak in me which does not mesh well with "natural" bee keeping, which is my goal. 
I did buy a queen from a man hauling packages to Denver.  A chance meeting.  (He was from Apisis Hive, a well respected company in the region). 
Anyway, I put the queen in (before I got the comments I might add).  She seems to be doing well.  I took queen cells off.  She seems to but doing well. 
I hope I gain more trust in the bees as this adventure moves forward.  Do less, learn more.
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 12:00:57 AM »

Sorry for rambling.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 12:25:15 AM »

it's all good if it works!
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 11:18:49 PM »

The ones in the middle of the frame are supersede cells. Bottom of the frame, swarm cells. Smiley d2
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2013, 02:21:18 PM »

> One of the things that has confused me is having cells pulled from middle of the frame rather than built on bottom or side.

Location is irrelevant.  A lot of cells in a crowded hive are swarm cells.  A few cells in a sparsely populated hive are supersedure or emergency cells.  If there is a queen in the hive, they are supersedure cells.  If there is not, they are emergency cells.
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