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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2013, 10:10:12 PM »

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I think the flaw in your thought process is you address the issue like it's a finite pie and there's only so much pie to go around.  Therefore, your solution is to cut and divide the pie differently, giving less to the 1%'s, as you want to call them, and more to the 99%'s.

The answer is to grow the pie, it's not limited, it's infinite....The way you get this government out of this mess is to grow the pie.  The way to do that is exactly the opposite of what the left always wants to do.  You need to get the government out of the free markets way and let it boom and prosper.  You have to provide a business friendly, PREDICTABLE market place with a stable tax plan that business can plan around.  Not like the current environment, one burdened with higher and unpredictable tax policy.

Listen to this 5 minute clip of Steve Wynn on BO...This is a man that was a life long democrat and an ardent supporter of BO in the 2008 election.  Anyone with the time I would strongly suggest finding the entire uncut interview, if I remember correctly it runs about an hour and is very telling.

Steve Wynn on BO!
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2013, 10:14:37 PM »

   Had GM been forced to file bankruptcy, they would have restructured , slimmed down and recovered. Throwing tax payer dollars at them was the worst thing to do.

Yeah, but then BO couldn't have cooked the books and given his union buddies such a sweetheart deal while sticking it to other creditors who should have been first in line to be repaid.  Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2013, 11:27:45 PM »

... I can not figure out what "subsidies" you, and our president, are speaking of.  They play by same tax rules that all companies play by.... 

The problem BB has with oil and gas companies is that as long as they remain independent BB's Dictatorship of the Proletariat remains out of his reach.  That is why Putin is trying mightily to re-collectivise the oil and natural gas industry in the part of the former Soviet Union that Russia represents. The Dictatorship of the Proletariat is about controlling all the industrial activity that you don't know how to run, as well as running all the industrial activity that you can't understand.

Is it any wonder then that things in DC keep looking and smelling more and more like things in Zimbabwe look and smell?  Zimbabwe by the way is the only country that I am aware of without an official or preferred currency and if we do not soon begin to persue a policy of austerity ourselves, we will become the second nation so blessed or cursed.

To better help you visualize the great job the gooberment does at running, and doing things, on the first floor of the Smithsonian Institute Museum of Flight in Washington DC is an aircraft engine that the US Gooberment worked on for ten years before two bicycle repairmen named Orvill and Wilbur Wright showed the Goobernment how to take wing and fly.  I kid you not this Gooberment aircraft engine is a .....
 steam engine..... lau
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2013, 11:43:41 PM »

... what your investment advice is these days?  .... (Gold) is dropping like a lead balloon.  .... So what’s your advice these days? 

Melt down that darn balloon cast it into ingots and invest in the newest precious metal there is ... lead.
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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2013, 12:07:09 AM »

... the US fiscal situation makes the old General Motors look like financial geniuses....   Well, the US debt is 1000 times worse than GMs.  If austerity wasn’t going to work on GM then ....it sure isn’t going to work on the US economy either.

So BlueBee by your own logic you want the US government to renounce its debts like GM did.  Not only will that mean shafting the UAW pention fund, but it will also mean that Obama will shaft all the little old widow women who are depending on Obama to save their Social Security checks so these poor widows don't end up eating cat food and sleeping in an appliance box. 

That is the kind of bailout that Obama engineered for GM and you just said that you want to extend GM's bailout to everyone.  That means shafting the people to who the government owes money. 

It just seems to me that some people are too much in love with the tiny squeaking sound of their own voice.   
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« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2013, 04:03:58 AM »

things in DC keep looking and smelling more and more like things in Zimbabwe look and smell?  
It sounds like the KingBee is a Gold Bug.  Why doesn’t that surprise me  cheesy cheesy cheesy

Zimbabwe aaah?  Wakeup KingBee, you’ve been listening to Peter Schiff for too long.  

To better help you visualize the great job the gooberment does at running, and doing things, on the first floor of the Smithsonian Institute Museum of Flight in Washington DC is an aircraft engine that the US Gooberment worked on for ten years before two bicycle repairmen named Orvill and Wilbur Wright showed the Goobernment how to take wing and fly.  I kid you not this Gooberment aircraft engine is a .....
 steam engine..... lau
So the government couldn’t even figure out how to make a aircraft engine huh?  But didn’t they send men to the moon in the 1960s or was that just some fantasy filmed a in a Hollywood movie studio?  I can’t keep track of all the right wing conspiracy theories.  On a side note, I suppose your car has more thrust than the 7 million pounds generated by those Saturn 5s too  grin
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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2013, 05:50:05 AM »

 ...I can’t keep track of all the right wing conspiracy theories.... grin


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Just curious, since you claim to be such a "MODERATE". .Do you have an equal amount of trouble keeping track of all the nutty leftist extremist views?

Seems like as a "MODERATE" you would find fault equally on each side...yet you seem to be obsessed with hammering away at the right.  huh
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« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2013, 07:01:05 AM »

you know BlueBee I don't post here much... really don't have time while holding down multiple jobs/job titles.  However when I glanced at your thread I immediately asked myself 'who in their right mind would post such a question here'.  nice spin on the question although I see you haven't gotten much advice on the question you posed directly but as in all things HERE any and all question quickly get spun into something political and invariable most of the answers all appear naive and short on any real understanding.

good job and continue on... or as I sometimes like to say.... endeavor to persevere.
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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2013, 07:54:13 AM »

Investment advice?

Don't buy bonds because with the interest rate at almost nothing, you may actually have to pay someone to take them off your hands.

Don't buy treasury bonds because with the interest rate at almost nothing, what is the point?

Don't put your money in the bank, because with the interest rate at almost nothing what would be the point?

No point in "buying" dollars, you already have dollars...

Stocks haven't exactly been a booming concern for the entire Obama presidency.   They are doing all right, all in all, at the present, but not that well, and they could bomb out.

I think you should take your cash and put it in your mattress... or better yet invest in good wool blankets and guns... those have always held their value.  Money won't keep you warm at night or protect  you or put food on the table.
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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2013, 09:21:40 AM »

Toilet paper...invest in toilet paper.  With all the crap Obama and the far left are feeding the nation there's bound to be a shortage coming....but, don't worry too much about that...BHO has a substitute that he himself has already been making trial runs with....

Obama toilet paper replacement...




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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2013, 09:43:51 AM »

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The answer is to grow the pie, it's not limited, it's infinite....The way you get this government out of this mess is to grow the pie.  The way to do that is exactly the opposite of what the left always wants to do.  You need to get the government out of the free markets way and let it boom and prosper.  You have to provide a business friendly, PREDICTABLE market place with a stable tax plan that business can plan around.  Not like the current environment, one burdened with higher and unpredictable tax policy.

and i don't know why the left can't get that.
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2013, 09:56:58 AM »

Welcome, Tecumseh. Now I have 2 to pick on. Bluebee won't be alone in trying to socialize the folks here, as you two would like to see the country do. Don't worry, tho, we can try and educate the closed minded left, even if it is nearly impossible.   evil   cheer   grin
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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2013, 10:15:28 AM »

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nice spin on the question although I see you haven't gotten much advice on the question you posed directly but as in all things HERE any and all question quickly get spun into something political and invariable most of the answers all appear naive and short on any real understanding.

that's HIS intention.  he doesn't really want investment advice.  he believes that the stock market is proof of the obama economic policy being successful. 

so...we give him what he wants as a form of entertainment.
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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2013, 10:37:22 AM »

you know BlueBee I don't post here much... really don't have time while holding down multiple jobs/job titles.  However when I glanced at your thread I immediately asked myself 'who in their right mind would post such a question here'.  nice spin on the question although I see you haven't gotten much advice on the question you posed directly but as in all things HERE any and all question quickly get spun into something political and invariable most of the answers all appear naive and short on any real understanding.

good job and continue on... or as I sometimes like to say.... endeavor to persevere.

lau Tecumseh, you are joking....Right?

If you're 1/10th as open minded as you claim to be, you can't remotely believe that Blue wasn't in the least bit interested in investment advice.  Your accusation that those responding to his "question" somehow spun it into something political is almost comical.  Go back and read the OP, it was nothing more than a political statement from the start.

Ole Blue was doing nothing more than trolling for some reactions....and he got some!  No problem, it's all good.  Smiley  But please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to make it something it wasn't....It was never a sincere question looking for sincere responses!
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2013, 11:23:31 AM »

Toilet paper...invest in toilet paper.  With all the crap Obama and the far left are feeding the nation there's bound to be a shortage coming....but, don't worry too much about that...BHO has a substitute that he himself has already been making trial runs with....

Obama toilet paper replacement...







I might add to that to invest in a company that makes crying towels because when the coolaid drinkers run out of coolaid they will be crying bigtime.
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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2013, 09:47:54 PM »

The government produces nothing therefore it can not generate revenues.  It only Takes, that's your money in the form of taxes.  If the government had to run a business or a household like the rest of us, they would either be homeless on the streets begging for food or closed down in bankruptcy having all their assets sold at auction.  If you really want to change things go make Billions of dollars like gates and Buffet and spend YOUR money on social causes.  Its called charity for a reason.... 
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« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2013, 01:35:31 AM »

I think you should start with wool blankets, food, a reliable firearm and some ammo, that is if you can find any.  It seems the firearm and ammo manufacturers have this new salesman working for them and man o man can that dude sell guns ! ! !

When you're done with that you should go try to buy some silver or gold.  You will find it has all been sold out and you will have to wait a good long time to get some.  It seems the miners and precious metal dealers have this new
salesman working for them and man o man can that dude sell the gold and silver ! ! !

The reason the stock market is doing this well is because around 85 billion a month is being created out of thin air.  If Benny and the Fed even so much as hint at a reduction in that, the market convulsively drops.  When this money finds its way into the economy there will be inflation that will make the current actual 9% seem like good times.

The last investment advice you should take is not to save any money.  If our 401Ks dont get raided or stolen the money will be worth far less than what we put in them.

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« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2013, 07:24:38 AM »

a moot snip...
If you're 1/10th as open minded as you claim to be, you can't remotely believe that Blue was in the least bit interested in investment advice.  Your accusation that those responding to his "question" somehow spun it into something political is almost comical.  Go back and read the OP, it was nothing more than a political statement from the start.

tecumseh...
well I don't think I made any statement, direct or indirect, that I am open minded.  educated perhaps, open minded... well sometimes yes and sometimes no. <this is call projection and there does seem to be a lot of this going on here.... that is you are using your own self imposed mind set to place meaning on someone else's writing.  so basically you are REINVENTING/REVISING the content of someone else words to suit you own needs.

I was referring moot to the title of the thread and was making a simple response to the title alone and not the content of bluebees own comment/content.

and howdy Iddee... just though I would mosey on over and see what fat you guys were chewin' on now days.

a gred snip..
The government produces nothing therefore it can not generate revenues.

tecumseh...
well not even close to being correct.  you OBVIOUSLY could use a remedial course in logic and macro economics.   even by your own statement taxes = revenues.... logically if a=b=c then a=c.  really the larger point is/should be that government produce security and a legal playing field for all participants to adhere to and therefore any economic prosperity pretty much hinges on political stability.  I at least know of NO historical exception to this rule.  my second point is that at least in the modern era a great deal of prosperity has been initiated by government providing seed money for this or that venture and this is the initial (necessary condition) for growth <that computer you are using is about as good an example of this as anything.  there are numerous other HISTORICAL examples.... matter of fact I am trying to recall an exception to this unofficial rule and cannot think of a single exception <likely just a sad side bar of what happens when the grey matter get's old and ossified.

as to bluebee's original question... I have always found real estate to be a good 'real asset' to hold over the intermediate and long term... it does cost much to maintain this asset and no one walks off with it in the middle of the night.... of course buying this in a growing and not a declining area is essential if you wish to turn a buck in the process.  
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« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2013, 08:00:36 AM »

a moot snip...
If you're 1/10th as open minded as you claim to be, you can't remotely believe that Blue was in the least bit interested in investment advice.  Your accusation that those responding to his "question" somehow spun it into something political is almost comical.  Go back and read the OP, it was nothing more than a political statement from the start.

tecumseh...
well I don't think I made any statement, direct or indirect, that I am open minded.  educated perhaps, open minded... well sometimes yes and sometimes no. <this is call projection and there does seem to be a lot of this going on here.... that is you are using your own self imposed mind set to place meaning on someone else's writing.  so basically you are REINVENTING/REVISING the content of someone else words to suit you own needs.

I was referring moot to the title of the thread and was making a simple response to the title alone and not the content of bluebees own comment/content.




Tecumseh,
While I appreciate your attempt to educate me on what projection is...You're mistaken, it's not what I did!
As you seem to suggest that everyone else should do, and claim you yourself do, I was attempting to base my opinion of you on your remarks from numerous post and not simply arrive at an opinion of you from a single post, or your comments in a single thread.    

From one of your previous post, you lecture beemaster and make the following statement; "Unlike yourself... I do try to collect a bit more information before I project some intention (good or bad) on any individual.  Unlike yourself.. I do try to compose a bit broader profile before I tag someone as conservative or liberal..."   (Link to Thread)

Your words, not mine.  Smiley

While you may not have used the actual words, "open minded", I think the context of that statement certainly lends that impression.  Therefore, I'd have to take issue with your above statement of, "well I don't think I made any statement, direct or indirect, that I am open minded.".

But hey, if I'm mistaken and you don't actually consider yourself "open minded", or you somehow take being called "open minded" as a criticism, by all means, I apologize and am sorry if I offended you.  grin

Hope you have a GREAT DAY!  Smiley
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2013, 12:57:59 PM »

Tecumseh
Maybe you should learn something from your name sake...

During the War of 1812, Tecumseh's confederacy allied with the British in The Canadas (the collective name for the colonies of Upper Canada and Lower Canada), and helped in the capture of Fort Detroit. American forces killed Tecumseh in the Battle of the Thames, in October 1813. His confederation fell apart, the British deserted their Indian allies at the peace conference that ended the War of 1812

He doesn't want a government in America, so he aligns himself with another government, they get him killed and then they turn on his people...  Pretty Ironic.   

The Government Calls taxes "revenue" so you made my point. it is a lie it is NOT revenue it is taxes. As soon as your government can run any branch or service and have it become profitable or at least maintain a budget, or even if they could keep costs constant, then maybe you can talk to me about economics. 
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