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« on: April 15, 2013, 10:28:18 AM »

i've seen several videos on doing a trapout. most use a cone shaped screen that acts as a bee escape. they get out but not back in. i have 2 trapouts to do that are in the vents of brick parapets on buildings with flat roofs. i'm toying with the idea out making a flat framed screen, cutting a small hole in the center, & attaching a bee escape ( the type used on an inner cover to vacate supers ). anyone have any opinions on whether this would work?? i could also attach a piece of tubing at the outside of the escape & run that into the my catch box attached to the building. that way the only way back to the hive would be thru my box. the other brain f*rt i had was to attach a hose to a funnel & pouring some bee quick into the cavity the bees are in.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 10:49:07 AM »

Can't imagine why it wouldn't....But, there's only one way to find out.  Smiley

Let us know how it turns out.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 01:25:58 PM »

A solid wood box with an escape might work. A screen box, they would never find the escape.
The beequick will not make them leave brood.
If they go back in through the dark box, they will find the hole they came out of and re-enter the building.


http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,20301.0.html
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 01:50:51 PM »

A solid wood box with an escape might work. A screen box, they would never find the escape.
The beequick will not make them leave brood.
If they go back in through the dark box, they will find the hole they came out of and re-enter the building.


http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,20301.0.html


Great video, lots of good information...Thanks for posting the link, I really enjoyed watching it.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 04:42:56 PM »

Iddee is correct (as usual when it comes to trap outs.)

The tube to your box will provide no advantage.  Bees leave the nest to forage and will not take note of where they finally get out of the tube.  They will go about their foraging and return to the original entrance location,  not your box.

I have poured beequick into a tree nest and although the bees where not happy about it,  they would not abandon the brood (or queen).

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2013, 09:05:21 PM »

i've seen the video in the link before. it is a great source. so iddee, if i build say a 2"x2" framework with a plywood top & install a bee escape in the plywood & attach that to the house, might that work? i guess the bees would see the light coming thru the bee escape. i'd then put my hive box right up against the plywood to attract the bees. i plan on putting some old drawn out frames & a frame of honey in my box. would a bee vac help in this scenario? these vents are formed by installing 6 bricks vertically side by side & leaving the mortar out of the vertical joints. i'm trying to avoid removing & reinstalling any bricks but that may not be realistic.  i've been told that if i'm successfull in drawing out the queen & establishing the hive in my box that afterwards when i rmove my cover the girls will then rob out the honey stored in the old hive. any truth in this?
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 09:28:49 PM »

I have never tried the box, but I think it would work fine. Yes, the light would attract them to the exit. You want the catchbox entrance as near their original entrance as possible. Don't leave a frame of honey in the box. They will be coming back loaded with supplies, and the honey frame would just attract robbers and pests.Either the first or second day, add a frame of EGGS. No reason for a bee vac.

When I do a weep hole in brick, I use a normal cone sealed to the brick with silicone. I brace it some way until the silicone drys, then it stays on it's own. Be patient. It will take from 6 to 12 weeks, and can not be rushed. Yes, after the queen and all the bees are out, you can let them rob it out. There will be a frenzy for a couple of days, then they will ignore the building and work from the box to the field. Check the hive 6 to 9 days after setup for queen cells. If none found, add another frame of eggs. When the escape is removed, watch for pollen going in. If EVEN ONE bee carries pollen into the building, the queen is still in there.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 09:46:29 AM »

thanks! i know & have told both homeowners that this is a slow process. i'll check with a friend to see whether he can spare a frame of brood. i lost 4 of 5 hives this winter & found the queen dead on top of the inner cover of my last hive. there is a new queen still in the cage being introduced to that hive. so at this point i have no brood to spare. the frames i'm putting in the box have been treated with BT so moths should not be an issue
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2013, 10:41:45 AM »

a couple more  questions-a friend just requeened some hives & has the old queens banked in cages. would putting a caged queen in the trapout box help to draw out the queen being trapped? can queens be killed while still in a cage?
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2013, 04:18:16 PM »

She may be drawn out with a hogan trap, but not with my style trap.

Queens can be killed in a cage through neglect.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 07:55:19 PM »

I have used iddee's method many times. The last time I used a weak queen right hive. Worked like a charm. I a few days it was a booming hive.

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2013, 08:55:59 PM »

what is a hogan trap?
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2013, 09:05:53 PM »

http://honeysunapiary.wordpress.com/tech-tools/hogans-bee-trap/

I haven't heard of many successful uses of it other than Mr. Hogan, but he says it works well.
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2013, 09:58:32 PM »

I tried several Cleo Hogan trapouts last year.  I trapped the queen out on one and the others I just took brood and bees to boost a couple of weeks hives.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2013, 09:15:14 AM »

iddee-thanks for that link. this looks like it should work well in the situation that i'm dealing with. i'll give it a whirl & let you know how it goes. the red funnel in the tunnel looks like it is a bee escape. 
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