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« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2013, 09:36:00 PM »

Here's a thought, perhaps much more of people's diets should come from pollinated foods rather than grains and grain-fed meat.
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« Reply #101 on: April 19, 2013, 02:06:00 AM »

Here's a thought, perhaps much more of people's diets should come from pollinated foods rather than grains and grain-fed meat.

 Sounds revolutionary.  You are going to abandon 90% of food stuffs.

80 y ago 20% of Finland's fields' harvest was used as fuel : hay and oats. It was horse's food.
Then come tractors and now we have only toy horses everywhere.
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Cow is a creature which need pollination. Otherwise it does not start to give milk.
Hen does not need pollination.

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« Reply #102 on: April 19, 2013, 09:56:04 AM »

Here's a thought, perhaps much more of people's diets should come from pollinated foods rather than grains and grain-fed meat.

Sure.  That would be great.  How and who's going to police that?  A nanny state with PC food police makes my skin crawl.

Fortunately, for the most part we have the freedom here to eat and drink what we as individuals want.
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« Reply #103 on: April 19, 2013, 10:20:22 AM »

I would never suggest policing it or forcing it. But I would say that meat, dairy and grains have enormous lobbies that push in Washington for all things that benefit them. If you think we eat grain and meat-heavy diets today simply because that's what we've always wanted most, I would argue that they've been pushed on us by some powerful lobbies. And subsidized into cheapness.

Fortunately meat and grains are not 90% of the food diversity in the world. It just seems that way since 90% of our diets come from them.

But, back to the topic at hand, does anyone have good information on foods that truly rely on honeybees for pollination? Or even bees in general?
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« Reply #104 on: April 19, 2013, 11:33:15 AM »

Here's a thought, perhaps much more of people's diets should come from pollinated foods rather than grains and grain-fed meat.

Sure.  That would be great.  How and who's going to police that?  A nanny state with PC food police makes my skin crawl.

Fortunately, for the most part we have the freedom here to eat and drink what we as individuals want.
As long as you do not live in NY.
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« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2013, 12:57:59 PM »

As long as you do not live in NY.
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Hense "for the most part".  It's shelved currently as it's working through the court but Bloomburg appears to have his eye on food police.
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« Reply #106 on: April 20, 2013, 06:41:01 PM »

 take time to read this and find out whats realy going on---         

 
http://gallery.mailchimp.com/5fd2b1aa990e63193af2a573d/files/What_Happened_to_the_Bees_This_Spring2013_opt.pdf
 
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« Reply #107 on: April 20, 2013, 06:53:49 PM »

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Bees have allready died 8 years. How long it is going to continue?
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« Reply #108 on: May 03, 2013, 11:02:03 AM »

Here are a few more problems for a commercial beekeeper

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« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2013, 11:18:42 AM »

Citrus sprays got me last year. Found out the poison was mustang.

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« Reply #110 on: May 05, 2013, 10:32:27 AM »

Foods that don't need bee pollination are the main foods the world eats because they produce, are more easily planted, store easily, and grow under harder conditions.

There's a reason foods like this are considered sacred in some cultures.  Rice, Wheat, Barley, and Maize have all been lifted to a "holy" status in different times, under different cultures, and even in ours.

"Bread."  Made from wheat.  It's used at communion to remind us of the sacrifice Jesus Christ made.  Barley was the symbol of Demeter or Ceres, and where we get the word Cereal.  Rice is the most widely grown crop in the world, and rice flour is used to bless with; though I can't think of an example, and Maize is the sacred food of Native Americans and has been for thousands of years.

Even the Lakota, who are hunter-gatherers traditionally, have maize as one of the four sacred foods.  To make offerings with.  Spring water, Dried meat (Preferably Buffalo), Dried berries (Preferably Chokecherries), and Corn (Maize)...

The simple truth is:  If we tried to feed the world using nothing but the foods bees pollinate, we would starve.
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« Reply #111 on: May 05, 2013, 08:11:45 PM »

If we ate only the foods don't pollinate it would be one bland diet!

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« Reply #112 on: May 05, 2013, 08:40:36 PM »

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« Reply #113 on: May 06, 2013, 10:50:36 AM »

Both quite true--I'm grateful for easy staple foods, and I'm grateful for all the rest, too Smiley
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« Reply #114 on: May 06, 2013, 12:23:23 PM »

take time to read this and find out whats realy going on---         

 
http://gallery.mailchimp.com/5fd2b1aa990e63193af2a573d/files/What_Happened_to_the_Bees_This_Spring2013_opt.pdf
 


That is a measured and well-researched paper by Mr. Oliver. 

Pesticides are of course a problem; but it's too easy to say "neonics" every time any issue comes up with the bees; it's like announcing that every dead-out is "CCD" - in both cases it's some problem you personally cannot avoid, and therefore there's no reason to scrutinize your own beekeeping.  I certainly applaud the efforts of those working on the Pesticide Problem, but what's going on with our bees is more complex than that any one thing and we owe it to our industry and our bees to explore every corner of what's going on.  That means honestly identifying what problems are neonics, what problems are neonics-plus-x, and what problems aren't pesticide related at all.
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