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Offline Steel Tiger

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How much room to mate a queen?
« on: March 31, 2013, 11:43:08 AM »
Assume you have two hives that you want to crossbreed, taking a virgin queen from one hive and a bunch of drones from another hive. How much room would they need for a successful mating?
Could it be done in something...say...the size of a large aquarium with a screen top? Would a small greenhouse work...or some sort of screened tent be better? If so, what size?

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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2013, 12:19:58 PM »
she mates while flying you outa luck on yo plans unless you can do artificial. and she needs to mate with drones from diff. hives
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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2013, 01:30:34 PM »
This is more for information than something I'm setting right out to do. I'm guessing using an aquarium is out.

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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2013, 02:45:32 PM »
Yep it is out, if you had something like the superdome you might be successful.  They breed in areas where drones congregate in large numbers while in flight.
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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 09:10:39 AM »
Assume you have two hives that you want to crossbreed, taking a virgin queen from one hive and a bunch of drones from another hive. How much room would they need for a successful mating?
Could it be done in something...say...the size of a large aquarium with a screen top? Would a small greenhouse work...or some sort of screened tent be better? If so, what size?

IMHO you need to being with about a square mile and you need the top of the screen
house about 30 to 40 feet off the grounded (this is not a guess on the high) this is just a guess on the size. You can do artificial a lot cheaper.





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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 09:30:40 AM »
>Assume you have two hives that you want to crossbreed, taking a virgin queen from one hive and a bunch of drones from another hive. How much room would they need for a successful mating?

About six miles...

They will not mate in a small space.   This has been tried many times over the years starting with Huber back in the late 1700s.  The only successful method of forcing a particular drone to mate with a particular queen is Instrumental Insemination (II).
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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 07:52:26 AM »
a table top and a lot of fancy equipment and some knowledge and experience on how to II queens.
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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 09:28:04 AM »
a table top and a lot of fancy equipment and some knowledge and experience on how to II queens.

More like this a few 1,000 dollars to pay for the instrument and the training and now you need a few years of experience
 
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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 11:57:44 PM »
Since the chances of your virgin mating with a drone from your hives is small,
the concept of deliberate crossbreeding by open mating is irrelevant.

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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 10:16:44 AM »
So for the most part even the "Queen Breeders" that most of us buy our queens from have no control over Genetics??

I mean I have always assumed so, but is this true?

So then how does one "breed good queens".

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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 12:26:18 PM »
Well, you an have mating yards that are some distance from your
main yard and all have quality genetics. Still, a mutt might sneak in
to the 'drone congregation area'. But for the most part, the only way
to come close to insuring a good genetic transfer is to isolate your
mating yard.

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Re: How much room to mate a queen?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2013, 07:26:36 AM »
It is possible to saturate an area with specific drones. Locating drone hives over vast distances (over 1/2 mile) isn't necessary. It's been proven through the use of the Cordovan marker trait and what Dadant did to produce their Midnite and Starline bees back in the day.

 

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