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« on: October 29, 2005, 10:17:49 PM »

There is this little thingy that people do. You know, when you are called to take the stand in a court room. You are told to raise your right hand then asked "Do you swear to tell the truth....."

What is the purpose of raising your right hand?
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2005, 09:39:27 AM »

Hmmmm, not sure if it's along the same line of thinking as shaking hands or not. I saw an article somewhere that the reason for using the right hand to shake hands was that each person could see that the other had no weapon. Seems most people are right handed and if armed with a weapon it would be in the right hand. If a person extended the right hand to you empty then he meant you no harm......
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2005, 10:31:09 AM »

I had thought along those lines but I believe it is something different.

Any more thoughts?
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2005, 10:46:08 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2005, 05:09:10 PM »

Thanks Joseph. I think this part explains it and gets me to where I wanted to go with this.

"Many people take an oath by holding in their hand or placing over their head a book of scripture or a sacred object, thus indicating the sacred witness through their action: such an oath is called corporal. However, the chief purpose of such an act is for ceremony or solemnity, and the act does not of itself make an oath."

In other words it is an act that has no practicle value. In fact to some people it would be totally meaningless. Then you take into account that some people don't even have a right arm, much less a hand, to raise. Would they then be required to raise the left hand? What if they had no arms at all? Or both arms are broken, or the person is just totally paralized and can't raise nothing?

Since not all persons can do this simple act, then why do it at all? And what would happen if you just refused to raise the hand when you are completely capable of doing so?

Then I wanted to get on a tangent about the whole oath thing. Some people could actually take it as an insult. To even suggest that they would tell a lie. A truthful person would tell the truth without an oath, and a liar... Well the oath would have no meaning anyway, and the person would lie as long as he thought he could get away with it.

Seems the perjury law would be all that is needed. "If you lie, you get punished." Same result.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2005, 07:26:21 AM »

>what would happen if you just refused to raise the hand when you are completely capable of doing so?

Unless you claim that taking an oath is against your religion, they will put you in jail. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2005, 03:50:50 PM »

Everything is based upon tradition.  My feelings are that you placed your left hand on the Bible and you held up your right hand so you couldn't reach for your gun and shoot someone.  You are at the moment, defenseless, so if someone wanted to shoot you they could.  

It could also be done to show that you had nothing to hide.

As far as those without arms,  just by them repreating the oath, that would be good enough.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2005, 07:14:39 PM »

This "Hands on Weapons" thought of Leo's reminds me of WHY Castle Towers ALWAYS spiral upward in a clock-wise direction - so the persons at the top have their right handed weapons readily available, meanwhile the attackers climbing can only draw left-sided weapons or use right-handed instruments at a huge disadvantage to the people above them.

About the courtroom protocol, I'm not sure, but EVERYTHING has pomp and circumstance in this land. Just watch the door opener of Marine One (The President's Helicopter) He (A Marine) sits on the opposite side of Marine One from the President's door, the guard exits just as the engine shuts down and the blade starts to wind down, the he walks to the front, making 3 consecutive 90 degree right turns around the helicopter, places his head against the door in a slight bowed position. When the blades fully stop rotating (to the second) he snaps open the door/stairs for the President to exit  - again EVERYTHING in this land (and I assume most) have exact pomp and circumstance or protocol that is followed.

But NOW swearing in court in most states (and this is a state choice NOT a Federal choice) no longer use the words "... and the whole truth, so help you God" but NOW during Swear-In it is something more politically correct, such as "... and the whole truth, at risk at purgering yourself before this court."

I thought the 411 million dollar funeral of Ronald Reagan was a good example of tributory protocol at its finest. If indeed we must bury our leaders with grandious goodbyes, I'm glad it was done for a man I truly admired as a teenager. I think the world saw Reagan as a very powerful figure in world politics and Iran's releasal of the 444 hostages as Reagan swore into the office of President was a good example at how he was precieved EVEN BEFORE he lead the country.

Yes, Reagan had flaws and probably Nancy did run the country for at least 1 and possibly 3 years as Reagan slipped away - but their love for each other was something that no other political figure has matched in my 47 years.

On the flip-side of that coin, I liked Clinton too - mainly because I believed (then and still do now) that Clinton truly loved to meet ordinary people, learn and grow from their stories and when George Bush (the father) ran for re-election, Bush showed his real smug and arrogant ways when heckled by the audience plants from the Clinton camp during fund raisers and rallies. Would love to have seen a Clinton vs. Reagan debate - WOW!!!

I'm often finding myself in the boundries of "random polls" these days, as odd and embarrassing as that seems to admit: but I had better hopes for George Bush "the son", and I have become more and more disappointed by his "stage presence" and smirky comebacks - I've worked with people who (when cornered) go WAY BEYOND sarcastic in reply and Bush talks down to people when defending his lame excuses for how he is fighting terrorism in Iraq, rather than spending the same trillions in defending our borders and infrastructure. I hate to even think that the ONLY weapon of mass destruction in Iraq in 2002-2005 is the United States Military. Not that I believe the goals of our fighting force is anything but constructive - but to the poor grunt who still lies in a fox-hole in the Iraq dessert, I think the goals of the mission are blurred from the original ideals of independent Iraqy Controlled government.

But about the money spent so far: Just imagine if we put THAT money in port inspection technology, dessert based refineries, education and investment into boasting small to large business and employment numbers. It isn't hard to see that the surplusses we had have been exhausted and the debt our country is in may take decades to rebuild. I do see improvements in various parts of the US Growth and Economic numbers, but we also need to give these constant increases in prime-rate interest a break.

The ONLY thing MOST Americans have in their favor now is MARKET INFLATED VALUES of their homes - a double edge sword which can easily get people in trouble if they borrow against their home value and then the market bubble breaks and home return to a more realistic value which (in my area) is probably 70% OVER-VALUED.

If inflation causes the housing bubble to break, people will have debt that greatly exeeds their net worth (which I know is how most of us live anyway) but the fact that we have homes that can be sold to get us out of debt is a crutch that most Americans depend on as a last ditch effort to bail out with.

Everything else in price/cost comparatives are relatively believable in the market-place and values fluctuate understandibly - even fuel (although we are yanked around in times of natural disasters) is a comparitively stable and rationalized value to the consumer. Home cost isn't held to the same standards as anything else the consumer buys, trades or sells. So, it is more of a crap-shoot than an investment, especially if you are on the buyers end today.

Anyway... At least I kept on topic for a change, instead of rambling as I often do  rolleyes  Hope that helps - lol.
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