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Author Topic: Disturbing actions of someone publishing the CAP report in Bee Culture  (Read 1796 times)
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« on: February 26, 2013, 10:21:52 AM »

I was disturbed when reading this month's Bee Culture magazine. It appears that someone took it upon him/herself to modify a research paper to fit someone's own personal feelings about chemical control of varroa. More specifically, in a letter to the editor "Correction to CAP", the authors of the CAP publication were miffed that directly under the title of their paper, someone (Bee Culture??) inserted the text "Chemicals are not the answer and here's why", giving the impression that the opinions of the authors were against chemical treatments of beehives. This is very disturbing! Not what you would expect out of a respected publication . . .
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 10:31:54 AM »

The days of unbiased reporting are long gone...agendas and propaganda are shoved in our face today.  CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, Republicans, Democrats, The Weekly Reader, Bee Culture, etc., you name it, they all have an agenda they wish to promote.  Bee Culture is not the magazine that it was several years ago, just like other periodicals have changed.  Personally, most of the time I see magazines, network news, newspapers as simply stumps for the snake-oil salesmen to stand on.  You just have to use some discernment in weeding out the junk and holding on to the good info.  If the paper was changed to present something other than it's original content then that is simply wrong, though I don't know what could/would be done about it.

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013, 10:52:26 AM »

i quit taking bee culture because they have some very far left wing loons there.  one in particular ticked me off so many times with the crap he wrote that i just gave up the magazine.  don't get me wrong...i don't mind difference of opinion and i love a good debate, but i took a bee magazine for bee info, not political non-bee 1/2 the time spewing from someone who seemed stuck in the 60's
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013, 03:29:09 PM »

At least they published the letter complaining about it... a really bad magazine would have not bothered...
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013, 04:14:51 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013, 04:22:24 PM »

At least they published the letter complaining about it... a really bad magazine would have not bothered...

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013, 04:34:16 PM »

At least they published the letter complaining about it... a really bad magazine would have not bothered...


Pullleeeezzzzeee.  Really??  My guess is that they were "required" to print the retraction if they ever wanted to publish the CAP report again.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2013, 06:21:44 PM »

I was disturbed when reading this month's Bee Culture magazine. It appears that someone took it upon him/herself to modify a research paper to fit someone's own personal feelings about chemical control of varroa......

 More specifically... the authors of the CAP publication were miffed that directly under the title of their paper, someone (Bee Culture??) inserted the text "Chemicals are not the answer and here's why", giving the impression that the opinions of the authors were against chemical treatments of beehives.....
This is very disturbing! Not what you would expect out of a respected publication.....

This is what I would expect from a group who fly under a false flag and call themselves "environmentalist" but whose true purpose for existing is to destroy industrial society along with its benefits, like scientific discovery.  They intend to do this by pretending that modern (Industrial) society is dangerous to your health or else is corrupt when in fact it is not as corrupt nor as dangerous as the people attacking modern society are.  

Never mind that those who hold a jaded view of modern society have been repudiated at every turn by the enslaved peoples of the 20Th Century.  Beginning with the Russian Empire's flirtation with Marxistism in 1917 and continuing through the fall of Fascism, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and coming full circle to the fall and breakup of the USSR and International Socialism (Marxism) 73 years later.

Therefore I am not surprised that our friend from across the pond chose this time to favor us with another one of his monotonous compilations of what is wrong with or poisoning society (bees included) eventhough he is still unable to provide any evidence nor is he able to back up his words with facts.  
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 08:59:55 AM »

As I figured might happen, this topic now officially belongs in the COFFEE HOUSE.

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 03:59:43 PM »

considering the subject and the person, it probably belongs in both.  i never thought his rants belonged in a beekeeping magazine.....
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 05:15:41 PM »

Perhaps there are those of us who might try running a magazine, a business or even write their own blogs, opinions on forums (oh yeah, we do  shocked), local newspapers, Elected Reps, better yet run for office themselves on their platform of 'beliefs', you know, "putting their neck out" and doing something proactive before running their.......... grin , especially critics who readily admit to rarely (if ever) consuming that which they so enjoy passing 'their own' personal critique and judgement upon.  These are the folks who already know everything there is to know about everything (and will endlessly remind us) which really must be pretty cool  cool when you think about it.

Its an epidemic these days I'm afraid, perpetuated by a mediocre media, schools, and culture which produces mediocre people and mediocre, "strictly divisive" debate, therefore serves little meaningful purpose IMHO.  Just the way the Slave Masters want it.  And remains precisely why I don't frequent COFFEE HOUSE any more  grin.  

No offence intended  Wink  We all deserve the right to rant now and then, whether or not we happen to agree w/ the ranter, but perhaps it would be wise to always remember when observing or exercising rants;  There's a very good reason why we have 'two' ears and 'one' mouth.

Very little discussion on the topic of the article, anyone else notice?




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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2013, 05:22:56 PM »

hey, they can print whatever they want.  if that kind of stuff is attractive enough to keep them in business, fine with me.  it is = true that i can put my money where i wish.  for that reason, i chose not to keep taking that particular magazine.  i can get my beekeeping info from a source that does not feel the need to mix political screeds into the info.

seems to me you might not get all sides of the subject when your info is coming from an obviously biased source?

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that's to bad.  a little more practice and you might have been able to keep up your end of a conversation  grin
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 08:16:50 AM »

kathyp; Sorry but you haven't been paying attention, I read everything.  One must see all sides to make an informed decision.  Like you, right?

Hard to have a conversation with those who refuse to digest or have any knowledge of the material or even have a willingness to entertain another point of view without ridicule and thus have little to offer any meaningful conversation. 

While serving a forced hiatus from BeeMaster I found other sources more open to alternative opinions and much more inclined to engage their brain (do some research) before their mouths, so have no need or desire to engage on COFFEE HOUSE further.

Does that explain my position better?  Does it really matter?
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 09:44:00 AM »

I find this interesting.  I guess it depends upon what you look for and what you zero in on, but I was remarking just yesterday how pro-chemical Bee Culture was in their advertisers. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 09:55:10 AM »

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Does that explain my position better?  Does it really matter?

doesn't matter at all.  glad you found some place that makes you comfortable....and some place that won't force a "hiatus" on your for...whatever....not your opinion certainly because there are plenty with alternative views....must.have.been.something.else.
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2013, 10:11:16 AM »

I find this interesting.  I guess it depends upon what you look for and what you zero in on, but I was remarking just yesterday how pro-chemical Bee Culture was in their advertisers. 

Ah yes, finally someone who actually reads the mag chiming in  cool
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2013, 10:15:13 AM »

I just recently dropped Bee Culture after 5 years when I realized more and more of their articles were absolute hogwash written by folks not interested in facts but instead pushing an agenda.  At a point I no longer care to continue to listen to what the other side thinks and the faulty data they use to support it and I take my business elsewhere.
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2013, 10:27:12 AM »

The truth depends on where you stand.  Unfortunately, a movement is growing filled with mostly sitters.

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2013, 10:31:37 AM »

"Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who say they've found it."

Look familiar?
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2013, 10:53:52 AM »

You bet it does, I'm a seeker, not a sucker grin
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