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« on: February 02, 2013, 03:29:06 PM »


Snow queens: Breeding bees to survive Alaska winter

http://www.anchoragepress.com/news/snow-queens-breeding-bees-to-survive-alaska-winter/article_0c96914a-ddd9-11e1-b84e-001a4bcf887a.html

Next comes the question of food. What should the bees eat, when should you feed them, and how much. Elliot gives his hives each 100 pounds of pure sugar mixed with water into a thick syrup. He fills a special feeder box with the food, and they suck it up into their guts to take home and make into fake honey in the fall. Victors said they winter better on the pure sugar-honey because they don’t have to use energy to process the pollen. Malone said his bees do better when they have plenty of pollen with their honey in the winter.

Part of the reason is economic. Buying a package of bees is about $140. Buying 100 pounds of sugar at Costco is $60. Even with the cost of insulation, which can be used for many years, Victors said it’s cheaper to overwinter them.

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 03:36:47 PM »

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Finland is at same level as Alaska. Our hives consume winter sugar on average 20-25 kg/hive.

Insulation cost means nothing. The spring build up is so good that better honey yield brings insulation cost back in one year.

Polyhive box price is here 20 US $

Wintering hive needs 2 polyboxes and the rest can me simple wooden boxes.

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 03:40:19 PM »



..A national survey of managed honey bee 2010-11
winter colony losses in the USA:


Alaska, no data

A national survey of managed honey bee 2010-11 winter colony ...
www.ibra.org.uk/downloads/20120130.../downloa... - Käännä tämä sivu
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 03:47:15 PM »

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University of Fairbanks 2012

BEEKEEPING IN ALASKA
Alaska’s beekeeping season begins each spring with newly hived bees. The honey flow usually ends the middle of August, but many people wait until the first of September to kill their bees. Though several individuals have kept bees through the winter in recent years, and a few even had some live bees in the spring, as yet no truly economical or satisfactory over-wintering method has been successful. Additional trials are being conducted. Package bees, therefore, are ordered in mid-winter for late April/early May delivery.



     Beekeeping in Alaska - University of Alaska Fairbanks

www.uaf.edu/files/ces/...db/.../ABM-00230.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 06:01:12 PM »

when you know that its possible to insulate bees down to -20C  so that the dont even need to cluster using common materials it seems bizarre that its "un economic" to over winter.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 08:17:24 PM »

It depends on what part of Alaska you are speaking of.  I have talked to multiple Minnesotans who used to live in Alaska who claim that Minnesota is colder than where they lived.  Now that's not to say that Minnesota is colder than all of alaska, but keep in mind that it's not uniform.  I have wintered bees here just fine.  I see no reason why you couldnt winter bees where a majority of the population lives in Alaska.  Unless there is something I don't know about the lack of sun. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 03:55:29 AM »

  Unless there is something I don't know about the lack of sun. 

In Alaska winter is much longer

Agle of sun is lower and it is much colder then.

At the end of February angle is so low that it does not melt snow. In March  angle is so high that it can heat a bee on the snow and it can wake up from its choma.



I compared  our latitudes to Alaska. Anchorage is at same level as Helsinki but its temps are littel bit lower that here (Golf Stream)
Fairbanks has 63 latitude and in Finland  there are no professional beekeepers behind that line.

On latitude of 61 we have several beekeepers who has 500-1000 hives per company.

The growing zones of yield plants rules mostly how succesfull is beekeeping.
Canola is important yield plant in our country just there where are most beehives.
Canola zone is under 62 latitude.

OUr plant zones go from south east to west noth.  In summer Russian high pressures gives heat to east corner of Finland but the sea rules in south and west.


A good question! Why spring comes at same time every year during 30 year on my summer cottage property. Snow melts every year at the first half of April in there.  Even if weathers change why it is so steady. It is angle of sun which is allways the same.


And we need not go much more north when snow melts slower and slower.  200 km means much in snow melting and it is angle of sun which moves.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 04:00:08 AM »

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Vegetation zones are the basic of succesfull beekeeping. Variation of mass bee plants gives the economical base.

Professional beekeepers situate on zone SB and there some hobby beekeepers on zone  MB

40 years ago canola was rare. Guys in south got quite poor honey yields on districts of corn cultivation area. Then came canola more and more usual.  Canola grows on zone SB





Professional beekeepers situate on zone SB and there some hobby beekeepers on zone  MB

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 04:07:18 AM »

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Vegetation zones of Alaska



Tundra of Alaska

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 04:22:31 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 06:29:40 AM »

Radiation per earth surface




Minnesota guys say that they have hard winter. Everything is so special like in UK. Nothing is so special like UK.

BUT the energy of sun ..........

Minnesota day lenght in 21.6   is 15 hours 36 minutes  and sun angle 68 degree.

Finland Tampere day lenght is 19 hours  and sun angle 52 degree. Difference is 16 degrees.


Today  

Minnesota day lenght  10,0 hour
Tampere .....................8,0 hour

UK ............9h 18m  


Minnesota sun angle ....29 degree
Tampere......................12 degree
UK............................ ..22°

In December sun angle is in Tampere 5 degree and day lenght  5 h 25 min

In Minnesota  21.12.   sun angle is 22 degree and day lenght  8 hours.

We have in Tampere same sun angle in March what Minnesota has in December.



in Minnesota sun angle 21.3. is 46 degrees and we have that in May.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 06:31:33 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 08:29:00 AM »

There is more weather influence other than sun angle and latitude. Locations away from large bodies of water have a great effect as well as elevations. Minnesota is at the northern edge of the great plains and as such situated where large columns of Arctic air are pushed through this region by the Northern branch of the Jet Stream winds. Ahh yes,being east or west of that nasty jet stream can wildly change your weather,.
Finski,there are places in Alaska warmer than Minnesota at times. When the jet stream is strong it sends very cold air as far south as mississippi and Florida and has caused freezing of citrus crops. There is not a blanket assumption to be made about winter strictly based on sun angle and latitude.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 08:36:10 AM »

http://graphical.weather.gov/
Minnesota is located where the cold colors are. look at the smae photo of Alaska today  at lower left of page.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 08:55:11 AM »

There is not a blanket assumption to be made about winter strictly based on sun angle and latitude.

Yeah! I know that. I have studied geograhy in university.

But the degrees of cold does not explain beekeeping.

Like Englismen say that they have everything great in their country. Bees forage nectar in December and pollen in January, but their honey yield is only 15 kg when I have 60-80kg.

Hobby beekeepers write so much rubbish that my eyes cannot stand it.


But I clearly understand that beekeepers in USA do not want to learn anything because thay have everything just great.




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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2013, 08:58:57 AM »

There is more weather influence other than sun angle and latitude.


Yes, but you are wrong. It is angle of sun which makes the climate belts.

How do you explain that they have corn fields in Minnesota  and in Finland we need 3 months longer summer that we could keep maize here.

Minnesota cornfield. We must go very far to south that we meet this scenery.

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2013, 09:12:28 AM »

Still does not discount harsh winter. It may not be as long but can still be very harsh.Corn is very reliant upon growing degree days. The hot days of summer(Northern jet stream receded) can make up for lost time.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2013, 09:17:36 AM »

http://www.finland.climatemps.com/
ltitude; 51 m (167 ft).
The average temperature in Finland is 4.8 °C (41 °F).
The range of average monthly temperatures is 24 °C.
The warmest average max/ high temperature is 22 °C (72 °F) in July.
The coolest average min/ low temperature is -9 °C (16 °F) in January & February.
Finland receives on average 688 mm (27.1 in) of precipitation annually or 57 mm (2.3 in) each month.
On balance there are 191 days annually on which greater than 0.1 mm (0.004 in) of precipitation (rain, sleet, snow or hail) occurs or 16 days on an average month.
The month with the driest weather is March when on balance 36 mm (1.4 in) of rain, sleet, hail or snow falls across 14 days.
The month with the wettest weather is October when on balance 73 mm (2.9 in) of rain, sleet, hail or snow falls across 18 days.
Mean relative humidity for an average year is recorded as 79.9% and on a monthly basis it ranges from 64% in May, June to 91% in December.
Hours of sunshine range between 0.6 hours per day in December and 9.8 hours per day in June.
On balance there are 1802 sunshine hours annually and approximately 4.9 sunlight hours for each day.
On balance there are 137 days annually with measurable frost and in January there are on average 28 days with frost.

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http://climate.umn.edu/doc/journal/arctic_blast1301.htm
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2013, 09:36:59 AM »

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Those average numbers tell nothing even to me.  What is average Finland?   I suppose that it is Helsinki, in the south tip of country.


What was new to me is that Alaska is surrounded by tundra against sea coast. We have huge wheat fields against coast.

To vegetation "summary of growth days" is important when we calculate when crop will rippen.

I can se now that Alaska is very different from Finland. Alaska resembles more Siberian at latitude of 60-65 degree.

Sea coat belt in Finland , wheat fields




Sea cost belt in Alaska, at same altitude as those Finnish fields. Hooper Bay



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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2013, 09:41:55 AM »

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One reason to tundra areas of Alaska: warm and cold sea currents

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 11:26:19 AM »

I am not sure why you always speak so negatively towards me.  I have been here for just a few days and in every instance you have spoken negatively towards me.  

Look I am not trying to get into an arguement with you about where it gets colder.  I know nothing about Finland and I have never made a comment about Finland.  I made a comment about Alaska based off of those that I have known personally that have lived in Minnesota and Alaska.  Check out this map.

This is our plant hardiness map.  This will give you a simple indicator of weather.  I am in north central Minnesota which is 3a.  Again I will state that Alaska is a huge state and you can see that the zones are nowhere near constant.  There are parts of the state that are warmer where where I am and lots of area that is colder.  I do not claim to be an expert in alaskan demographics, but I believe most of the alaska population lives in the southern part of Alaska an on the coast.  


According to this, that is mostly correct.  If you click on Alaska on the plant hardiness zone you get a zoomed in view of Alaska.  You see that again there are areas who are in a more favorable plant hardiness zone than I am, especially where a lot of population lives on the southern coast.  There are also lots of areas that max out the low zone.  

Weather is more complicated than this map, but it is something that we can easily use to compare areas of the country that are so far apart.

Edit-Ok so apparently I cannot post links or pictures like others can due to my new account.  So I guess you will have to trust me or google the USA plant hardiness zones and alaskan population.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2013, 11:53:49 AM »

Also comparing latitude zones to beekeeping is a poor way to do it, on one of the maps/charts of Canada if you follow the lower border, mostly latitude based you get 5 climate zones of 7, same latitude different climates and condition to keep bees  Undecided


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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2013, 12:23:51 PM »

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It is better to look Gangnam star  video. 1260 million views.

http://www.youtube.com/user/officialpsy



Gangnam Style takes over Seoul: 80,000 fans go crazy for Psy as South Korea shut down capital for live show

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213228/Gangnam-Style-takes-Seoul-80-000-fans-crazy-Psy-South-Korea-shut-capital-live-show.html#axzz2JmYJk4Ki

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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2013, 03:31:28 PM »

Is Mr.Gangnam a native beekeeper in Alaska?

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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 04:23:42 PM »

found a link to a Alaskan beekeeping club -maybe we can get them to add to the discussion-- cool RDY-B

http://www.alaskabees.com/WinterBeePictures.html
 
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2013, 04:34:11 PM »

found a link to a Alaskan beekeeping club -maybe we can get them to add to the discussion-- cool RDY-B

http://www.alaskabees.com/WinterBeePictures.html
 
http://www.alaskabees.com/WinterBees.html


There was interesting pictures. Taken in January some hives had bad poo around entrance.

I suppose that bees have brood there and the were obliged to come out to get rid off pressure.

Brood in these latitude means death.  Bee strain is not suitable  or there was bad nosema.
But I bet brood in the hive.

But otherwise, I could call that beekeeping style "aborginal beekeeping". No connection to outer world.

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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2013, 04:54:12 PM »

 they would like to hear from you --shall we email the link they provide on the page and get them in on
 topic of alaskan beekeeping???
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I am not sure why you always speak so negatively towards me.  I have been here for just a few days and in every instance you have spoken negatively towards me.  

Look I am not trying to get into an arguement with you about where it gets colder.  I know nothing about Finland and I have never made a comment about Finland.  I made a comment about Alaska based off of those that I have known personally that have lived in Minnesota and Alaska.  Check out this map.

This is our plant hardiness map.  This will give you a simple indicator of weather.  I am in north central Minnesota which is 3a.  Again I will state that Alaska is a huge state and you can see that the zones are nowhere near constant.  There are parts of the state that are warmer where where I am and lots of area that is colder.  I do not claim to be an expert in alaskan demographics, but I believe most of the alaska population lives in the southern part of Alaska an on the coast.  


According to this, that is mostly correct.  If you click on Alaska on the plant hardiness zone you get a zoomed in view of Alaska.  You see that again there are areas who are in a more favorable plant hardiness zone than I am, especially where a lot of population lives on the southern coast.  There are also lots of areas that max out the low zone.  

Weather is more complicated than this map, but it is something that we can easily use to compare areas of the country that are so far apart.

Edit-Ok so apparently I cannot post links or pictures like others can due to my new account.  So I guess you will have to trust me or google the USA plant hardiness zones and alaskan population.

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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2013, 08:51:40 AM »

 th_thumbsupup  Right On Jim 134, right On!

Bush_84.  Hang in there Brother, Don't let Finski discourage you.  For some unknown reason he's allowed to be rude to others.
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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2013, 01:24:22 PM »

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Hah hah ha. You may keep your hives as you like.


Winter food consumption 50-60 kg in winter. You are great in everything!!!! .... And 3 boxes in winter. It is good if I get 3 boxes in summer-

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« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2013, 01:30:11 PM »


I will say Finski need to move to International Falls, Minnesota USA to keep bees  grin



That will be fun. It is difficult to find winter hobby but then I may feed the whole winter to hives  honey balls and newdspaper sugar.
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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2013, 06:18:33 PM »

I am not sure why you always speak so negatively towards me.  I have been here for just a few days and in every instance you have spoken negatively towards me.


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When cabin fever sets in the winter the beekeeper stings other beekeepers 

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