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« on: January 22, 2013, 08:14:59 PM »

Lots of good news in the Nascar world: returning to late 1990/2000 style cars, old school body style so you can tell them apart again.  There are three main cars, super speedway, Speedway and short track. I assume speedway cars for road courses, but I'll bet they mix them and short track cars for road courses. It will be nice to see a Ford and know it's a Ford again, shame with all the manufacturers.

Kennseth has taken over Joey Lagano as the 20 car driver for Joe Gibb Racing, very cool - I'm a diehard Kennseth fan and glad to see him out of the Rouch camp. After not resigning Matt this past season, then Kennseth doing as well in the chase as he did - Jack get's a last kick in the pants as Kennseth moves to where he'll be appreciated more.

So.... let's see how these changes to the car designs puts people back in the stands again, that is Nascar's big hope of course. People don't buy merchandise at the track if they are home watching the race - and merchandise, not seat sales is Nascar's money maker. Hopefully, seeing how designs of cars interact with others will make it a good sport again, in recent years they have all but killed the sport with some of their FLOPPED improvements - none worse than tandem racing on super speedways. It was hard to watch and looked more like an Olympic event. Good luck to all us fans.




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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 05:11:39 AM »

OK, here's a serious question.  Is NASCAR really a "sport"?
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 05:14:41 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2013, 07:29:23 AM »

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Should all be interesting...I'm a Jeff Gordon fan so the opportunities to celebrate have been few and far between in recent years.  Cry

I'm a Rick Hendrick fan from a team prospective so the Johnson run was quite impressive, but while Jimmy is my second favorite driver, he's a distant second to Gordon, so the success was a mixed bag for me.

I'm curious how much of the attendance drop off is due to poor NASCAR decisions, god knows they can make them, and how much is simple a result of the anemic economy.

I've long said that the restrictor plate races are pathetic, Talladega makes me sick, it's a joke for any real race fan.  NASCAR needs to stop trying to throw band aids on the problem, none of which have worked,  and FIX IT instead. They need to put a dozer to the place and take down the bankings.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2013, 03:29:12 PM »

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All well put, I have a collection of photos I took 6 years ago at Dover, in the 206 thousand seats, you were lucky to see an empty one. In the last 4 years, I haven't seen 40% of the seats full. The classic is always Bristol, it was almost law that you could only get seats there if the were willed to you and Bristol has had the same low attendance as all the tracks. Surely it is the economy as much as bad moves by Nascar and bad timing. Restrictor plates really harmed the sport, although more from the driver's prospective than the fans: I know we hate it, but to them it is a safety feature taken away. Drivers claim (for those who don't know) that restricting the engines power increases the chance of accidents because drivers can't get out of the way of the big accidents. So if that is true, and I don't doubt the drivers, restrictor plates are more dangerous of a tool than non restrictor plates, leaving fans wondering what on Earth is Nascar thinking.

I'm believe you will see restrictor plate rules change too, If you told nascar they'd boost revenue by 15% by not using them, then we'd see these cars driving 225mph at Talledga and Daytona again. Even the cookie cutter tracks like Charlotte, Texas, Atlanta and others with the tri-oval shapes will see speeds greatly increase, because all the tri-oval tracks are already running as fast as the super-speedways. I think that is what bugs me most, when tri-oval speeds are the same as super speedway, all it does is take the thrill out of super speedway racing.

Plus I believe (and I do believe this) that with nearly zero possibilities, it's impossible to get killed in a Nascar today! They have taken safety to such an incredible level in the design of safer cars, safer tracks, safer restraints, that the most mangled car will have a driver walk free from the crash - likely the worse a broken ankle or wrist. I think that says a lot about the sport, and yes it is a sport. NOT SURE how the new (old school cars looks) have changed from the car of tomorrow safety features. I think the look is all cosmetic and we have cars this year as safe as last year. I don't see Nascar removing any features structurally that proves to be safe.

NOW TO BLUEBEE

You couldn't even leave Nascar alone? Isn't it left-winged enough to be recognised as a sport by you? What is a good left-wings sport, I'll check it out?

I've read your leftist bull-crap and never said a thing. I think as hard as you try to make a logical point of your socialist beliefs, all you do is make others either laugh at you or want to barf, and any followers you may have are likely too affected by global warming to think straight on most issues.

Whether members see you as a buffoon or the voice of the Left is something we can save for the Coffee House - BUT no need to mess with Nascar.  Few places in the sporting world do people put their lives on the line every time they play, I'll give it to football where real injuries happen every game somewhere, and I'm sure many other sports (I'm not knowledged enough about) have their fair share of injuries, but they are not doing 200 miles an hour when it happens either.

But I post rarely enough to not have you even stomp on something A-Political like Nascar, or is that RIGHT-WINGED thus it is fair game too? Funny, I thought you might like it, the cars are always turning left. I'm not being cruel, I'm just stating facts that you are that butt itch that no one can reach, that sand in your shorts at the beach, that fly that lands on the TV screen and then flies off every time you get up to swat it, then returns as soon as you sit down, and you live to rile others up. I'll let others battle your ideas around, not my job.

But I do enjoy watching others bat you around like a kitten pouncing a ball of yarn, why you enjoy always playing the yarn dumbfounds me. But it appears you truly believe the foolishness that spews from your keyboard, a true spin-doctor of facts - and no one here needs to watch MSNBC because we have you. So "if less TV" is good, then there must be something salvageable in your writings after all.





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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 11:50:33 PM »

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Is NASCAR really a "sport"?

Well B B, I see that you’ve stuck your foot in it again.  So you don’t know where Darfur is and then you make fun of Southern culture. 

Tell me, are you and your fellow Democrat, Congressman Charlie Rangel from New York’s 13 district planning on converting every NASCAR track into concentration camps complete with Faux showers and crematoriums? 

This is closer to the real Democrat Party than anything that bozo in DC represents.  But neither I or Bee Master will do you or your President any favors by holding our breath so Rangel or yourself can overcome Southern culture.  But my friend, it is refreshing now that you have cleared the air and we all know where you’re coming from.

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 10:12:14 AM »

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I actually had the opportunity to slot into an available spot at the last minute with a co-worker on a guys trip to a night race at Bristol, I think it was 2006.  Truly an UNBELIEVABLE experience! As a matter of fact, your boy Kennseth won, I can't say I was happy about that!  Sad

Coincidentally, got into the whole NASCAR discussion with a co-worker yesterday...debating and reliving NASCAR missteps.  Question:  How much do you think allowing Toyota into NASCAR hurt the sport?  Personally, for me it was a none issue.  But I do know one fan that took it as extremely offensive and basically walked away from the sport as a fan.

As for your beat-down on Blue...WOW!  I can only put it on par with some of the all time classic "BIG ONE's" at Talladega!  lau   

As for this site of yours that I've discovered and enjoyed so much!  beemaster
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2013, 11:41:51 AM »

...  How much do you think allowing Toyota into NASCAR hurt the sport?  Personally, for me it was a none issue.  But I do know one fan that took it as extremely offensive and basically walked away...

I don't think Toyota alone had that big an impacy.  However, I know many fans who took offense with NASCAR's Political Correct lurch to the Left, either to ingratiate themselves with the political establishment or Holly Wood.  These fans washed their hands of the whole thing and walked away.  I don't think they'll ever be back not even if they sacrificed a liberal at every race. grin 

Bill France and his crew didn't seem to care and basically said what Charlie Rangel said, "Bugger off, I got along without you before you met me, gonna get along without you now."  This is especially so at the small NASCAR sanctioned tracks where 99% of all new fans, crews, and driving talent traditionally came from. Money talks, BS walks... and it looks to me like NASCAR drove its ride into the wall and now are back on their feet, literally.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 12:48:20 PM »

John...you rock!

Hope to see you @ Bud's this year!

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 06:22:40 PM »

Hey guys:

I welcomed Toyota, in that (on a pretty fair playing field) who is gonna win on any given Sunday. I think in the ever-shrinking teams and ownership in Nascar, it brought a bit of staying power to the sport. In reality, casual viewers would never know, what the would know is Nascar cars fill up with Sunoco Fuel - a phrase they jam down out throats everytime someone pits. Hearing "Jeff Gordon took a slight wedge adjustment, four tires and topped of with Sunoco Fuel" gets a little old, really fast. I'm sure this is something Sunoco demanded in the last two seasons, I'd like a dollar for every time they mention them.

About Bristol, I can only image. I have been to Dover and it was deafening as well as every bone in your body rumbled - I know Bristol had to be 4 times as incredible. It's on my to do list, although my local track in a 30 degree banked 1/3 mile oval and they'll place 20 large block modified on that track, and all you see is a blur of steel lap after lap. For a local track, it brings 5 car types every weekend to a packed house.

About Blue Butt. I don't mean to pounce on him, but I just hate people who never seem to be happy unless they are challenging others (often with their own mindless dribble) or they say anything to take someone Else's fun away from them. I thought I was okay with what I wrote and trust me, the mods here would pull it in a second if it wasn't.

I just want to see Nascar cars driving 3 wide at 200+ mph on Super Speedways in cars that I can recognize again. Sadly, I think newer fans opt for the PRETTIER cars that are easier to follow on the screen, few people know the back stories, the duels, the stories behind the stories and that's sad. Image hearing, "Oh... I want the pretty car with Oreo's on it to win" and not know who has sat behind that car seat or worn that number, they are really missing out. Same with cars like the 2 and the 5, with so many changes, if you miss a season, you may not have a clue who is in what car.

There was the time I never thought of anyone but Tony Stewart in the 20 car. The to events I attended, Dover and Watkins Glen were won by him. Just prior to Dover he took up the "Climb the fence to grab the flag thing he did for awhile) but he peeled out and went right to victory lane at Dover my time there. Sad too. Seems like all the drivers have their "thing" they do, from Edwards Backflips, to Kyle Bush's on the roof bow - which for a long time got Boooos from the crowed until people noticed he was standing on that roof a lot and fans started to favor him, and as a driver - rightfully so. But he couldn't help himself and started screwing up and his moment in the sun was extinguished.

Does Nascar need bad guys and good guys like WWE wresting? They honestly do if you believe the spin the commentators like to paint. I know they need some good ole fashion fist fights, not this helmet throwing at the car crap.

Lastly, I want to see one rule applied to Nascar, concerning the Chase: if a non-Chase driver purposely takes out or even causes a Chase car to be damaged where laps are lost - then unless that non-Chase driver should be suspended for the remainder of the season. I'm not talking a guy trying to keep on lap one or someone who who has a good chance of winning that race, but these vindictive drivers trying to revenge a wrong doing earlier in the season. We saw this play out in both the Cup and Nation-wide this year and little was done. Strong racing where stuff happens is one thing, but waiting until a driver is 1st or 2nd in points with three races to go, THEN put them in the wall when you are 22 laps behind, calls for parking your car until next year. You can have great rivalries on the track without such low tactics.



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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2013, 06:53:34 PM »

None of today's drivers are as big an asset to NASCAR as Richard Petty or the Allisons of the Hewey Town Mafia.  In my experience neither of these drivers would leave the track until every fan who wanted to speak with them, shake their hand, or get an autograph had been satisfied.  Try that with today's drivers, ball players, or movie stars.

One change I would like to see is a ban on Sprint Cup drivers competing in the lower divisions.  Having star drivers in the junior divisions IMHO results in too much money needed to compete and dries up the pool of new drivers.  Part of the charm of NASCAR was the poor boy made it big thing and now that is going... has gone away under today's rules and sponsors. 



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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 07:33:24 PM »

Now don't beat up Toyota,a lot of their cars are built on our soil by our people. Without the huge layoffs and bailouts two of the big three took.
And I remeber the days when the fastest cars with the best drivers won.Wins on Sunday sold cars on Monday!! PC invaded the sports arena too.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 10:18:41 AM »

In my opinion Bristol IS THE PREMIER RACE TRACK IN AMERICA.  BeeMaster you must go.  Just get a room way way ahead of time. Your dealing with the Smokey Mountian foot hills there and rooms close to the track are well scarcer than hens' teeth.  The only track that may be better than Bristol is Martinsville.  From the grand stands of both tracks you can follow all the action and see every pass and all the lead changes.  Try watching the whole race at Pocono, Dayton, 'Hot-lanta', or 'Digger'
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Bristol is two fisted racing and Martinsville is two footed racing, meaning you have got to use the break peddel as much as the gas peddel. That was the kind of driving and racing that the Good-Old-Boys did on Thursday and Friday nights before they put their best engines back in the bright colored cars to race on Sunday.

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Talladega was always more of a Woodstock for Rednecks, or a Burning Man for folks who don't wear Birkenstocks, drive Prius Hybrids, and crook their little pinkey fingers while they snort other peoples' coke.  grin  But NASCAR 'cleaned' Talladega to death!  It use to be the premier party place in America, putting Sturgis, South Dakota in the shade not once but twice each year.

I sort of gave up and quit going to Cup Races when Swerving Ervin hung up his goggles, and I will always remembered something that Richard Petty said about racing at the East Wood Mall in Birmingham before the first Talladega 500, "If you ain't cheating you ain't trying."

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 11:09:20 PM »

Poor, Poor bluebee. Will he never learn? The two things you don't mess with is a man's hunting dog and his racing.
I went to school with Richard Petty and knew his family well. Yes, it is a sport. One of few left that means anything.
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