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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2013, 07:47:18 PM »

> “We cannot trust the republicans to do the right thing.”!

We cannot trust the POLITICIANS to do the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  If you think you can trust the Democrats any more than the Republicans you are sadly deluded.

    MB.  I did not mention democrats because I see no point in trying to reach them. They have their man in the Whitehouse, who is bound and determined to take us into the tried and failed policies of socialism. Unfortunately for the Tea Party movement  the republicans happen to be the only port in this storm.

 

 
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2013, 08:15:33 PM »

    BjornB.  I wonder if you realize how close to the movement you are? I know how the movement has been demonized, ridiculed and lied about by both the republicans and democrats. Truth Is, but for the social issues, seems to me, you are us. Its not, we have no individual opinions on these, its, we don't allow the left to drag us into a useless dog fight. Today's leftist democrats are "expert!" at getting the republicans to answer social issue questions and then hitting them over the head.  Dang...happens every time.

   I did not post the original to set up another arena for debate. ( although I read all with interest ). I no longer debate with leftist. I know who they are. We will never agree.

   What can we do but complain? Some did post thoughts on this. If your sick and tired of the fight, ( sometimes I am ) then perhaps you can support those still willing. As for myself, I give an organization a few dollars a month, who I believe are in the state houses and Washington fighting for a small constitutional government.     
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2013, 07:02:13 PM »

... I really hate dealing with government.  Hopefully someday they’ll all be replaced with computers.

Neither one there Blue.  You've got Buck Rogers and Karl Marx confused.  Karl Marks and his running dog Democrat Party lackeys are the true party of no government.  We'll all see your right just as soon as the Democrats create the new Soviet man on this side of the ocean.  Then you'll get your Dictatorship of the Proletariat soon enough and we'll all see government fade away just like Obama and Marx predicted. 

A good example of fading away is The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.  Just look how little government and how much freedom The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea showers on its citizens.  Oh, btw, a friend told me that during the last famine.... oops... better make that the Dr. Oz diet challenge, that the median weight for an 18 year old Democratic People's Republic of North Korea male army recruit was a hefty 89 pounds.  How's that for fading away?  Yep The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea and Michelle's got it going on.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 10:33:51 PM »

Politically speaking.... I gave up on the republican party state/locally,
...The republicans will lose on items such as immigration reform. The average person, me included, does not think we will EVER deport 40 million illegals. And to have even a few nuts out there saying so, is harmful and unrealistic.
The party is stuck with a few leaders that stick their foot in their mouths everytime a question like abortion comes up....

The problem is that the Tea Party is determined to destroy the Republican Party.  The reason for this is so the Tea Party can Ass-u-me the name "The Republican Party."  The Tea Baggers are itching to abandon any REALISTIC goals that the GOP has.  Look at Tod Akin, Richard Murdock, Sharon Angle, Christie O'Donnell, and any number of other Tea Party loons, turkeys, or other strange birds who ran for Senate in 2010 & 2012 under the name, A Tea Party favorit" and who only managed to pull abject defeat out of the gleaming jaws of sure victory.  In fact if it wasn't for the Tea Party, there would be a Republican majority in the US Senate today as well as the US House. 

The Tea Party can not get enough signatures to put a Tea Party candidate for dog catcher on the ballot.  So with or without realizing it, the Tea Bag Express' only hope to get on the ballot is to destroy the Republican Party and pick up the crumbs, much like an organ grinders trained monkey picks up peanuts.  Backing up my assertion is the announcement this week by Senator Saxby Chambless, a Republican from Georgia, that he will not run for reelection in 2014.  This announcement was made after the Tea Party started turning over rocks looking for a Tea Bagger to run against Senator Chambless in the Republican Primary.  The Tea Baggers problem?  Chambless and 85 other Senators voted to dodge the fiscal cliff.  The Tea Party wants to go over the cliff in a barrel.  The Tea Party thinks that they are following in the footsteps of Paul Revere and the Sons of Liberty, when in fact they sound more like the Tea Party from Lewis Carrol's Through the Looking Glass.  The Queen of Hearts in this Tea Party fresco was South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint.  Senator DeMint did not resign on his own, the GOP INVITED DeMint to be gone, you might say they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.  The reason is all the crazies (like the 4 mentioned above) that DeMint recruited and funded for the Senate races, many of them against his own fellow GOP Senate incumbents.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2013, 10:45:26 PM »

kingbee, i don't think you know much about the tea party.  it is true that not all that they supported were elected, but i'm pretty sure that no one gets all that they support elected.

year after year we say that we need new blood, people who will stand on principle and not be swayed by the political winds, people with some new ideas.  then we get them and people like you get your info from where?  MSNBC?  and spew it.

i'm sure the are things they have backed that i disagree with.  there are things that other groups i support embrace, and i disagree with.  i am not interested in winning if winning means we are the same as they are, only not quite.  you can keep you McCains, and other RINO types that go along to get along, or your nut cases like ron paul.     i want people who have strong commitments to changing things for the better, in particular our financial state, and are willing to take the hit to stand up for those things.

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and, while i am not offended by much, i seriously dislike this term. 

i have no idea what your politics are but whatever they are, they seem a bit off the rails.  the tea party is not a party.  it is a loose coalition of people who are concerned about our fiscal condition.  to that end, they support certain candidate.  that's it.  they are not radical. they are not nuts.  they are not status quo. 

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2013, 09:23:09 PM »

... Just complaining does not get us anywhere... Posting and debating is fun and interesting, however it gets nothing done.... How about calling your representative and asking when they will be holding their town hall meetings?...  

I went to a town hall meeting last night held by Congressman Mo Brooks (R) Ala. 5Th District.  I first heard Brooks speak about 1977.  He is the real deal but has only been in Congress now going on 3 years.  However if you are depending on the Tea Party to do anything (Including holding the GOP's feet to the fire) your whisling Dixie.
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2013, 09:43:36 PM »

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However if you are depending on the Tea Party to do anything (Including holding the GOP's feet to the fire) your whisling Dixie.

not depending on them, but hoping that they, or what they are saying becomes part of the solution.  i never joined a tea party group, but i happened to be around one once when they had a rally.  there were no radicals there.  no far right nuts.  it was about first principles, lower taxes, less regulation, etc.  all the things that the republican party should stand for.  all the things that the entrenched members have forgotten in their go along to get along mentality.  they are part of the new blood that we need.  not the whole solution, but a start.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2013, 12:03:09 AM »

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if you recall, in both the 2010 and 2012 elections, there were no social issues that were front and center in the republican agenda. 


I beg to disagree. In 2010 Delaware Senate Candidate Christine O'Donnell advocated witchcraft and passing laws against what Dr. John Harvey Kellogg called self pollution or since this is a bee forum "self pollination."  How's that for pressing social issues?  BTW, Sharron Angle from Nevada isn't any better.  Loosing to an incumbent Democrat who was behind 2 votes to 1.  To better show that it was the Tea Party who was at fault here, the same Democrat Senator's son lost to an establishment Republican in the Nevada Governors race by the same margin that his daddy won by running against  a Tea Party Candidate.  How come pops and sonny boy had so big a vote total difference on the same state ballot, in the same election year, and running with the same name? 

Fast forward to 2012.  Two surprise GOP Senate candidates (both of them Tea Party darlings) Todd Akin of Missouri and Richard Murdock of Indiana, without help from their (or any of the GOP's) political enemies both embraced viewpoints about rape and pregnancy last advocated by The Prophet Mohammad in the 7th Century.  He did this by encouraging his army to commit gang rape on the persons of the female POWs under his army's control.  From reading the Koran it even appears that the Prophet was looking forward to watching the fun and games.  Akin and Murdock were both running in races that were as close to slam dunks for a Republican as it gets in politics.  Forgive me but I just got off the phone after a 3 hour shouting match with a Tea Party "National Coordinator" whose only defence was, "Well just what do you expect, in a Tea Party candidate, competency?"   rolleyes  The thing that really grinds my gears is that these idiots call themselves "PATRIOTS!"  Parrots is more like it.  I have said it before and I am going to say it again, the Tea Party would mess up up the Lord's Supper."

Tea Party election math class or how the TP counts Senate seats:
Ma and Pa Kettle


I have been in politics a long time.  I think I can find my invite to the 2nd Nixon inaugural ball held on January 20th 1973 in Washington DC. or maybe even a souvenir can of Gold Water left over from 1964.  For the last 4 years I have given the Tea Party the benefit of the doubt.  Unfortunately the people who have the most say so and influence in the Tea Party violated that trust, they just turn off voters by shouting and waving their arms around like crabs out of water. 

Is it any wonder then that the Conservative Senator from Georgia, Saxby Chambless is not going to seek reelection in 2014 after the Tea Party announced that they were turning over every rock, and looking under every rotten log to find a Tea Party candidate to run against Senator Chambless in the GOP primary.  Herman Cain of all people has even bowed out from accepting Tea Party support... at least in its current form.  That in it's self speaks volumes. 

Despite the 14th Amendment as well as a 1930 law that clarifies the issue the Tea Party embraced the "Birther" issue.  So that you will remember that "What goes around comes around", the National Democrat Party is saying that Ted Cruz, the new and electable Tea Party Senator from Texas is ineligible for the Presidency because he HAS a birth certificate and that birth certificate gives his place of birth as Candida to an American mother and a Cuban father.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2013, 12:34:44 AM »

great rant, but most of it is incorrect.  i can see why you'd end up in a yelling match with a tea party person, but i would doubt that your recollection of what he said is 100% accurate.

i'd love to know where you get your information.  i'll give you the fact that it's amusing.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2013, 05:47:41 PM »

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i'd love to know where you get your information.  i'll give you the fact that it's amusing.

Forgive me kathyp, I am still a little torqued up.

My information comes directly from the local Tea Party Patriots and their members, many that I have know by their first names for years.  I also set in on many of their meetings.  GOP elected officials are beginning to be scarce at Tea Party meetings because of the rude treatment.  To show you how rude and crude I have attended town hall meetings for GOP US senators before when one or the other local Democrat groups like the AFofL-CIO, UAW, SEIU, NAACP, etc would be picketing the meeting hall.  The senator would invite the pickets in and encourage them to ask questions.  By the end of the meeting he had them beat and bumfuddled, all their arguments were destroyed.  More and more GOP office holders however are washing their hands of the TP because they are becoming louder, ruder, and cruder.   In short they are beginning to make little Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters Union look like girl scouts.

One of the so called Tea Party leaders admitted to me that their goal was to assume the name of the Republican Party.  He told me this after I told him that the Tea Party would never, never, never get enough signatures to get the name "The Tea Party" or "Tea Party Patriots" or any other incarnation of the Tea Party on a state wide ballot.

There are any number of news organizations that are carrying this story.
"The Tea Party has been looking to challenge Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a Republican primary, and members will get help from their new ally–Democrats. Democratic donors with deep pockets and a left-leaning super PAC in Kentucky have the same goal: they want to find a viable candidate who can oust McConnell, who is up for re-election in 2014."  

The Tea Party doesn't care who they elect as long as they can belly ache, run their mouth, and complain like spoiled brats.  Tea Baggers dislike everyone and on average they have zero ideas, fewer plans or no platform, just an abiding dislike for themselves as well as for those that they see (either fairly or unfairly) as the reason for their and their children's falling standard of living.  Your average Tea Bagger is the responsible party for most of America's problems.  Now they are on a witch hunt to find a scape goat to layoff the blame on.
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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 06:10:01 PM »

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The Tea Party doesn't care who they elect as long as they can belly ache, run their mouth, and complain like spoiled brats.  Tea Baggers dislike everyone and on average they have zero ideas, fewer plans or no platform, just an abiding dislike for themselves as well as for those that they see (either fairly or unfairly) as the reason for their and their children's falling standard of living.  Your average Tea Bagger is the responsible party for most of America's problems.  Now they are on a witch hunt to find a scape goat to layoff the blame on.

sounds like you have a local problem and i can't speak to that.  i can only tell you what i have observed in this, and other states, where i have had the chance to know and attend some tea party gatherings. 

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is not acceptable.  i expect it from the loony leftists, but i don't accept it.

now...if the tea party is in the business of replacing establishment and go along to get along republicans, i am in full support of that.  i know of no tea party group that is looking to form a separate party, but they are interested in changing the republican party back to a constitutionally conservative party.  in that, they have my full support.  we have career pols in Washington that need to go and go now. 

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The Tea Party doesn't care who they elect as long as they can belly ache, run their mouth, and complain like spoiled brats.

this is inaccurate, but i can see how, if you are a supporter of the status quo, you would find them shaking things up a bit disturbing.  it seems to me that the problem is less with the  tea party, and more with you wanting to keep the same RINO do nothings that we have.  AND  while like McConnell as a person...i met him many years ago, and while i agree with  much of what he says, he, too, has become a master compromiser.  while compromise is not necessarily a bad thing, it is counterproductive when you putting aside core beliefs in order to get the deal. 
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 Alexis de Tocqueville
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