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Offline Finski

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2013, 11:28:41 AM »


 From what I have read their was no honey bees in North or South America before the from Europeon came to the Americas


It is interesting that European honeybee was not able to spread by itself across Siberia to Korea, China and to Himalaya and so on.
Africa has many races of mellifera..

Original home is in Africa.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2013, 12:09:20 PM »
So when did the European Honeybee arrive in Finland?

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2013, 01:40:40 PM »
So when did the European Honeybee arrive in Finland?

There were some earlier trials but hives died.

1805 Finland had over 100 hives.

1815 first beekeeping book was published

1866 first Italian bees came to Finland from Germany.

Early knowledge of beekeeping came from Germany.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2013, 01:51:32 PM »
Are you sure?

We have a law in Sweden from 1734 that is still in play that regulates who owns the rights to wild bees in the forest and who owns a bee swarm.

If they had laws i Sweden from that year surely there were bees i Finland beefore the 1800?

And when did we give Finland back to the Fins?  ;)

mvh edward  :-P

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2013, 02:12:17 PM »
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Difficult to say when it really started


First hive were brought from Estonia 1750 th. They died.
Second atempt was 1760 from Estonia

Karl Niklas Hellenius brought from Sweden  1777 one hive in starw hive.

A National Economy Society started to bring hives from Sweden 1800 th
http://www.amk.fi/opintojaksot/500/1162824838111/5kcdDP96T/5kcdrlEOz/5kcdfYJOT.html

In these days we were part of Russia


Estonian Tallinna was important Hansa City and it has important role in developing. Merchant German was usual language in cost towns.
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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2013, 02:16:43 PM »
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When my brother started keep bees in Piteå  1972, beekeeping in Sweden was not very advanced. That view I got from him.

One guy near me brought much methods from USA and Canada 50-60  years ago.
Another beekeeper spoke Russia and he brought knowledge from Soviet area and from Poland.
His Italian bees were very high productive.

Paradise Honey company has got much system influences from NZ.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2013, 02:30:43 PM »
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Svensk biodling åren 1750-1800

Bertil Wahlin



ISBN13: 978-91-631-1984-2 / 210x297 mm / År: 2001 / 59 sidor
 http://booksondemand.e-butik.se/kultur-kulturhistoria/svensk-biodling-aren-1750-1800

ISBN10: 91-631-1984-6
 
En handskrift från 1700-talet påträffades. Den handlade om biodling, och en studiegrupp inom Östgöta Genealogiska Förening tog itu med tydandet av texten. Vissa ledtrådar gav antydan om var författaren kunde sökas, och efterforskning gav resultat. Det visade sig vara prästen Andreas Runberg, och hans tragiska levnadsöde följdes upp.
 
I handskriften hade Runberg berättat om egna erfarenheter från biodlingen, och i sina kommentarer hade han i stor utsträckning utgått från Samuel Linnaeus bok "Kort men Tillförlitelig Bij-Skjötsel". Här i denna bok återges Runbergs text i sin helhet jämte hans levnadshistoria.
 
Bertil Wahlin följde gruppens arbete och har kompletterat materialet med uppsatsen "Svensk biodling åren 1750-1800". Det är en historisk berättelse om biodlingens betydelse för landet, och hur man på olika sätt uppmuntrade och försökte vidga intresset för näringen.
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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2013, 02:34:41 PM »
I suppose "beekeeping" could bee a late occurrence but surely the bee must have come to Finland when the last ice age receded and they followed in the shadow of the melting ice and warmer climate.?

As to the advancement of Swedish bee keeping, I think they over shot the target many many years ago and there is still a mess to day with too many hive sizes to choose from  :-x

mvh edward  :-P

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2013, 03:04:22 PM »
I suppose "beekeeping" could bee a late occurrence but surely the bee must have come to Finland when the last ice age receded and they followed in the shadow of the melting ice and warmer climate.?



Good heavens!

We have  not had feral honeybees.


Melting ice........it is tundra.........
Most of Finland was under sea level.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2013, 10:42:20 PM »
all the historical stuff is interesting but probably should have it's own thread.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2013, 11:49:45 PM »
I suppose "beekeeping" could bee a late occurrence but surely the bee must have come to Finland when the last ice age receded and they followed in the shadow of the melting ice and warmer climate.?



Good heavens!

We have  not had feral honeybees.


Melting ice........it is tundra.........
Most of Finland was under sea level.



The Kalevala, Finland's epic mythic story mentions honeybees and honey several times - I think it is assumed to be from medieval times.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2013, 12:09:19 AM »
Next time it warms up I'll take another look around.  We had a cold from that came in yesterday and it's really windy and cold..  I don't want to go out, so I assume neither do the bees.  Going out at dusk is a great idea.  These bees that I found on my patio were out way past dusk, about 9pm or later. 

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2013, 03:29:40 AM »


The Kalevala, Finland's epic mythic story mentions honeybees and honey several times -.

I suppose that it means bumblebee and bumblebee nest honey.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2013, 04:10:52 AM »
So bumble bees can survive in Finland?  Do you have many different varieties?

I raised a colony of bumble bees this summer.  I didn't notice them ever flying towards lights at night, but then again there was just about 100 bumble bees in the hive.  Nothing like the numbers in a honeybee hive.

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2013, 05:41:38 AM »
 Do you have many different varieties?



Over 20 species

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Re: bees flying at night
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2013, 06:12:33 PM »
Finski, have you ever raised Bumble Bees?