In just the short time I had to get to know them I would think that if someone abused them on the forum that the abuser would have been quickly put in his/her place by John or a moderator. I can't see the forum not coming to their defense. And, yes, kathyp, Brian didn't seem to me to be someone that would simply roll over if things got tough...after all, wasn't he working his bees out of a wheelchair?...that's dedicated *and* TOUGH! :) As for Cindi, I don't think there was a smidgen of arguing, anger, spiteful, or anything negative in her DNA. They are both just plain good folks...we need more of'em.