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Offline OzBuzz

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Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« on: December 25, 2012, 09:02:29 AM »
Hi folks, just wondering what the implications might be of putting starter strips at a 90o orientation in a second box (above a queen excluder) when compared to the orientation of the bottom box? I.e. the foundation in the bottom box is in frames that run front to back, then there is a queen excluder, again oriented front to back, and then above the excluder I have some starter strips oriented side to side in jars (trying to get the bees to build comb in the jars). Any issues with that orientation?

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 09:45:32 AM »
If you have a square box it won't matter.  If you don't, obviously this won't work unless you have short frames for one of the boxes...
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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 12:45:47 PM »
The bees hang like a piece of string in an U shape, in doing this they are able to build vertically strait comb.

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 04:14:40 PM »
Wrong, wrong, wrong!

He is in the southern hemisphere. That right there makes his starter strips 90 degrees out of phase from your advice.

Throw in the fact that his season is 6 months out of whack, and from the bottom of the globe making gravity opposite polar from ours, he should be growing his comb 180 degrees out, but the hives should be upside down, and the comb being drawn from the bottom to the top. Otherwise stuff will be falling out of the comb cells.

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 05:00:32 PM »
 :-D But I was standing on my head and typing upside down  :-D

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 05:04:10 PM »
I've been thinking about getting them to build comb in jars, the guy I saw had his jars on top of his hive.

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 05:11:08 PM »
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If you have a square box it won't matter.  If you don't, obviously this won't work unless you have short frames for one of the boxes...

His jars are probably not square.

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 11:36:55 PM »
I'm trying to figure out why you would need starter strips in jars...

The bees will build parallel comb in any large enough space.  If you place your jar's mouth in respect to bee space, they may build it in any orientation relative to the established comb in the rest of the hive, but parallel to other comb respective of the first comb built in the jar.

In other words, the bees build comb any way they want in my top bar hives.  Without a guide they put comb in kind of a circular pattern.  One comb in the center, combs next to them parallel, and the further away from center they start to diverge.  30 degrees or even 90!

Top bars are like Bonsai.  You have to trim, train, and cull regularly.

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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 01:43:50 PM »
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Re: Starter strips at 90o to the orientation of the lower box
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 08:50:39 PM »
I'm trying to figure out why you would need starter strips in "
I'm reading "Langstroth on The Hive and The Honey Bee" and he specifically mentions that if you add starter strips or drawn comb in the glass jars the bees will fill the jars much faster than without it.
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